Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Does Sacred Fist levels count for the 2/3 monk level rule of intuitive attack?

No, monk only.

And with dispel changes, Monk 20/Cleric 3/Sacred Fist 7 will get dispelled. However, you will have caster level of 9, 13 with practised spell caster, and access to 5th level spells. Thus if you pick a deity with the Strength domain, you can have divine power as a level 3 spell. Which means that your caster progression grants you: 4 level three spells, 3 level four spells, and 2 level five spells. That is a total of 9 casts of Divine Power, out of which 5 are extended. Now, if you get 30 wisdom, you will get 15 casts of Divine Power, out of which 9 are extended.

Divine Power gives you that +6 Strength and BAB that matches your HD.

So, imagine your unarmed monk with BAB of 30, 9 attacks, and with +3 physical damage, when your fists do: 3d8, and 1d4 from Fiery Fist, 1d10 from Blazing Aura, and +17 from Sacred Flames. (Sacred flames is a once a rest thing though.)

Not to mention that you could use level 1 and 2 spells to fish out any mob dispels before casting Divine Power, or just use them for Divine Favor to get +3 AB and Damage.


Thus, it will work.

Comments Only wrote: However, you will have caster level of 9, 13 with practised spell caster

So, imagine your unarmed monk with BAB of 30, 9 attacks, and with +3 physical damage,

here,only caster level 13 practiced spell caster. so in my opinion your BAB will increase to 13 only, not BAB of 30.

if i am wrong, correct me

izzul wrote:

Comments Only wrote: However, you will have caster level of 9, 13 with practised spell caster

So, imagine your unarmed monk with BAB of 30, 9 attacks, and with +3 physical damage,

here,only caster level 13 practiced spell caster. so in my opinion your BAB will increase to 13 only, not BAB of 30.

if i am wrong, correct me

You are wrong Divine Power gives BAB of a Fighter of your level. So basically if you are level 30 you get BAB 30. This is why people hate DP.......it modifies your BAB and gives you extra attacks as well as AB that does not count to the +20 cap.

izzul wrote:here,only caster level 13 practiced spell caster. so in my opinion your BAB will increase to 13 only, not BAB of 30.

if i am wrong, correct me

Not how it works. Divine Power does not consider CL, it simply sets your BAB to your character level. So at level 19 your BAB is 19, regardless of class split or how many levels of Cleric you have.

///EDIT: ninja'd by Calodan, but the rest of my post has some good info for those considering some type of SF build.///

This version of SF used to be a prime example of what a SF was and it is still viable because all those casts of divine power aren't 'necessary' so much as helpful. If it gets dispelled it still has high AC, high AB and solid damage with good saves.

The other/newer way to build a SF is to go Monk 5 or 6, Cleric (or Spirit Shaman) 8 or 9, SF 10 and Hierophant 6 for 3x Spell Power. This gives a CL of 29 or 30 (29 gets improved knockdown, 1 more BAB, 10 ft. of monk speed increase and combined damage from monk / SF levels increases from 2d6 (~7 dmg) to 2d8 (~9 dmg)... So you get IKD, +1 to hit, faster movement and 2 pts of damage per hit (equivalent of weapon specialization) at a cost of 5% dispel from greater dispel. Makes it a very interesting decision.

It's funny because the dispel fix has done a bit to level SF, but they are still a top tier class. They are often pointed to as something that was pigeon holed or severely hurt by the dispel fix, but yet they are still a top tier class to build with. You just have to employ tactics to eat dispels, either with lower level cleric spells or consumables (heck you'll find low level potions easily enough at no cost). Building this route you will do more damage, have (way) better attack bonus and will have higher AC alongside adamantine fists... Going the other route (low monk) makes you able to micromanage less since even greater dispel will have no or very little chance to effect you and as an added bonus you get a lot more buffs to make up for most of what you lost by taking so few monk levels. On top of all of this, you probably still have 30 WIS so you also aren't too shabby of a caster cleric. Your DC's are not going to be top tier, but they are probably only ~3-4 DC away from it. Not good enough to truly be a 'caster' but enough to fake it, sometimes.

You can go Cleric 7 / Monk 3 / Sacred Fist 10 / Hierophant 10. Take 3 Spellpowers, Blast Infidel and Inscribe Rune. 32 CL, very high WIS, 1 Epic Spell, and 24 BAB which just gets better with the Cleric spell book (and virtually un-dispellable).

It's a sick build. I like it!!!

Steve wrote:You can go Cleric 7 / Monk 3 / Sacred Fist 10 / Hierophant 10. Take 3 Spellpowers, Blast Infidel and Inscribe Rune. 32 CL, very high WIS, 1 Epic Spell, and 24 BAB which just gets better with the Cleric spell book (and virtually un-dispellable).

It's a sick build. I like it!!!

Loses much of the SF feel since it is now more a caster cleric which loses some monk speed, AC and has the lower (2d6) damage. Might be better to go that route than the Monk 5 route since you only lose improved flurry from Monk 5... Good build Steve.

chad878262 wrote:
Loses much of the SF feel since it is now more a caster cleric which loses some monk speed, AC and has the lower (2d6) damage. Might be better to go that route than the Monk 5 route since you only lose improved flurry from Monk 5... Good build Steve.

Ha! It's 10 levels of Sacred Fist...kinda the pinnacle of the SF feel, IF AND ONLY IF levels on the Character Sheet matter, when feeling out feely-ness. Ya feel me?!?

I've lost me mind trying to perfect the monk + Cleric + Hierophant +/- Sacred Fist. As a player, I really enjoy the monk build, but even a Monk has it's limits (I've done both melee Monk to Lvl 30 and Monk /Assassin to high Epics, and both struggle within undispelable magic...gee, what was I thinking by promoting the Dispel Fix?!? DOH!!).

But the above build actually allows you to have upper Tier DCs and be able to beat the crap out of things. It suffers from any "clickables" and if your mind goes numb by buffing, it'll surely put you to sleep. But essentially, nothing can kill it.

Steve wrote:gee, what was I thinking by promoting the Dispel Fix?!? DOH!!).

Here you go... We found the culprit! Get the pitchforks and get the fires going. We will eat some baraccuda for dinner...

But the above build actually allows you to have upper Tier DCs and be able to beat the crap out of things. It suffers from any "clickables" and if your mind goes numb by buffing, it'll surely put you to sleep. But essentially, nothing can kill it.

What makes it even better are the domains. Bane domain for example, can give the the Dominate Monster spell. With that you can get a mob at the CR of the area you are in, buff it with the excellent divine spell book and farm as safely as possible.

mrm3ntalist wrote:We will eat some baraccuda for dinner...

Cars are not part of a balanced diet...

And the fish is poisonous, if I recall correctly...not good eatin'

I will now return to my hole to avoid being caught between the pitchforks and Steve...

Is it the fool who has the idea, or is it fools that enact that idea?!?

*Hugs QC* ...What would you guys do without me?!? Don't answer!! lol.