Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

-Last time Angel have 220 hp
-20 lvl summon
-20/14/20 saves
-AB 23
-28 str
-26 con


what happened to the latest Gate spell? Astral Deva is the top gate spell for good allignment. i cannot find Angel anymore (maybe because of Neutral good/Chaotic good?)

-128HP
-16 lvl summon
-16/14/14 saves
-20 str
-19 con

Check Planetar. He is of the strength of the old angel.

Planetar
-26 str
-20 con
-29 AB
-17/16/19 saves
-29 AC

the most left is Solar : Epic gate spell(even weaker than gate spell)
-same lvl as gate spell lvl 20 outsider
-180hp
-32 str
-20 con


Compared to Epic Gate:Angel
-angel epic gate have higher str
-angel epic gate have 280 hp
-angel epic gate have higher saves than angel gate

The new angels have:

- 30 SR (Planetar), 32 SR (Solar)
- 10 DR/evil (Planetar), 15 DR/evil (Solar)
- 5 regeneration
- True seeing
- Angel Protective Aura

So, they aren't as squishy as they seem.

And where is ma beloved Horned devil?! I was quite taken aback when I saw the list of demons/devil when in the middle of a fight

matelener wrote:The new angels have:

- 30 SR (Planetar), 32 SR (Solar)
- 10 DR/evil (Planetar), 15 DR/evil (Solar)
- 5 regeneration
- True seeing
- Angel Protective Aura

So, they aren't as squishy as they seem.

-180 hp for epic solar compared to 280 hp for epic angels seems huge difference

edit: anyway, cant we keep the angels while adding planetar and solar based on preferences? seems to be loving Angels since i entered the server until now..please dont remove it away

- 30 SR (Planetar), 32 SR (Solar)
- 10 DR/evil (Planetar), 15 DR/evil (Solar)
- 5 regeneration
- True seeing
- Angel Protective Aura

And finally angelic spells.

I balanced the planetar and solar against the old angels in an 1vs1 arena battle, they always won. They are better then the old ones.

edit: anyway, cant we keep the angels while adding planetar and solar based on preferences? seems to be loving Angels since i entered the server until now..please dont remove it away

Nope they are not coming back. The whole overhaul of the summoning has been made to stay true to the lore provided by dnd 3.5 and previously angels were just "reskinned" balors.

-180 hp for epic solar compared to 280 hp for epic angels seems huge difference

Solars still win.

JCVD1 wrote:And where is ma beloved Horned devil?! I was quite taken aback when I saw the list of demons/devil when in the middle of a fight

Its called Cornugon . Called with a gate spell.

can at least make a big difference on the level of the gate and epic gate summons?

Solar and Planetar have same 180 hp..

Solar and Planetar have same level 20...

the difference now is only the str