Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Thanks.

Yes, but only through RP with DM's. Does not mean you necessarily need to be constantly bugging the DMs, but you would need to document your player interactions and send the DM teams screenshots and engage in forum RP to request it. I would also say you would need to explain heavily what your reasoning for the shift is as well as your build plan. If you are doing it to make some kind of Paladin/Bard or something I doubt the DM's would approve. Otherwise, DM's do hand out alignment points based on RP within their events from time to time, weather you want it or not. This is good in my opinion, as it reflects that sometimes your actions may have unintended consequences, even if the PC doesn't know about them.

chad878262 wrote:Yes, but only through RP with DM's. Does not mean you necessarily need to be constantly bugging the DMs, but you would need to document your player interactions and send the DM teams screenshots and engage in forum RP to request it. I would also say you would need to explain heavily what your reasoning for the shift is as well as your build plan. If you are doing it to make some kind of Paladin/Bard or something I doubt the DM's would approve. Otherwise, DM's do hand out alignment points based on RP within their events from time to time, weather you want it or not. This is good in my opinion, as it reflects that sometimes your actions may have unintended consequences, even if the PC doesn't know about them.

Chad, you are answering all my questions! Thanks!

(I really like the idea of a Monk that forgoes further training to become a Frenzied Berserker, but basing a build on the chance that DM will approve, is not something I would rely on)

You'll probably lose monk powers though if you differs from lawfull, right?

Randall wrote:You'll probably lose monk powers though if you differs from lawfull, right?

No.
Ex-Monks, a monk who becomes nonlawful cannot gain new levels as a monk but retains all monk abilities. I once had a Monk/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker... Flurry of Blows with that beastly PnP strength... Killed the whole party... three times before the buggers turned on me! (And killed me in my sleep.)

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Randall wrote:You'll probably lose monk powers though if you differs from lawfull, right?

No.
Ex-Monks, a monk who becomes nonlawful cannot gain new levels as a monk but retains all monk abilities. I once had a Monk/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker... Flurry of Blows with that beastly PnP strength... Killed the whole party... three times before the buggers turned on me! (And killed me in my sleep.)

Yes, it appears that Quarterstaff flurrying Monk with Frenzied Berserker (10) would be a fun build here.

blacksoft wrote:Yes, it appears that Quarterstaff flurrying Monk with Frenzied Berserker (10) would be a fun build here.

If you were able to pull the RP concept off and had DM approval I think either M13/F12/FB5 or M16/F8/FB6 or maybe M20/DC5/FB5 would be better than taking FB for all 10 levels. You don't get much out of the class past level 5...

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blacksoft wrote:Yes, it appears that Quarterstaff flurrying Monk with Frenzied Berserker (10) would be a fun build here.

If you were able to pull the RP concept off and had DM approval I think either M13/F12/FB5 or M16/F8/FB6 or maybe M20/DC5/FB5 would be better than taking FB for all 10 levels. You don't get much out of the class past level 5...

I would not be too sure. 5-10 adds three things: 4 more damage on IPA and 6 more strength than what you can get on equipment. this can convert to a total of 10 more damage with a two hander. It also raises ab by 3. Assuming you are balancing strength and con, you will end up with strength over 30 and con of at least 24 (with equipment). And more frenzy to pull it off. Don't forget that the Frenzy adds another attack at full base, so being able to frenzy more often is a huge boon.

I would assume that you would stop at 11/12 Monk. You could still take fighter 8 if you wanted. Although I think I would go for FOTF and Ranger for those FPA feats. Plus you could flurry with Brutal throw. (Issue is xp penalty since I see earth gensei really being best option to such a build and leveling it with the 3lb30 rule. Not sure how that would go)

Kind of like this: http://nwn2db.com/build/?266285


I do think your 12 Fighter / 13 Monk / 5 FB is probably most simple and best, however

blacksoft wrote:I would not be too sure. 5-10 adds three things: 4 more damage on IPA and 6 more strength than what you can get on equipment. this can convert to a total of 10 more damage with a two hander. It also raises ab by 3. Assuming you are balancing strength and con, you will end up with strength over 30 and con of at least 24 (with equipment). And more frenzy to pull it off. Don't forget that the Frenzy adds another attack at full base, so being able to frenzy more often is a huge boon.

At FB 10 you have 5 uses and, with 24 CON each use lasts 10 rounds. You could take Extend Rage and/or Extra Rage, but honestly unless you are expecting to gimp your monk levels pretty severely you won't have enough Fighter bonus feats to get that much to focus on Extend/Extra Rages. 5 minutes per rest when you can't get tireless rage is not something to build around, IMO.

blacksoft wrote:I would assume that you would stop at 11/12 Monk. You could still take fighter 8 if you wanted. Although I think I would go for FOTF and Ranger for those FPA feats. Plus you could flurry with Brutal throw. (Issue is xp penalty since I see earth gensei really being best option to such a build and leveling it with the 3lb30 rule. Not sure how that would go)

Well, Fighter 12 is required for Melee Mastery - bludgeoning if you use a quarter staff which grants +2 AB, +2 Damage, in addition to +4 AB from Epic Weapon Focus and + 6 damage from Epic Weapon Specialization. If going for a Fist Monk F4 can give Melee Mastery - Unarmed, but you mentioned Quarter Staff. Point being Fighter will give always on AB and damage as opposed to damage to specific favored enemies as well as more feats. I will take +6 AB / +8 Damage over situational triple IPA damage... Even assuming FB so giving you +20 trippled to +60, Favored Power Attack has to be taken individually for each FE, so if you go to R10 that is 3 FE's, 3 feats and against all other enemies you are far worse off. Really limits where you can go since for most enemies you have lower AB and damage then you would going the Fighter Route. I could see M11/F6/FotF3/FB10 (or M13/F4) if you were going Fist Fighter, but if going quarterstaff the only thing you are gaining is unmodified CON bonus to AC (+5, assuming 21 CON), which is quite nice. However, I would really focus on getting to F12 w/ the Quarterstaff as the bonus to damage is really useful and applies to all enemies.


In the end, it's all about the RP, so if you like the FPA concept go for it. However, I would personally limit it to 1 FE and thus 1 FPA feat, like giants or something that is relatively common. I would maybe take 4-8 Ranger levels tops and would do something like M11/F8/FB5/R6, for example (or FB8/R3, if you prefer). M11/R6/FB10/FotF3 just uses up so many feats on situational benefits as to make for a poor overall play experience, IMO.

Sadly you cannot have Flurry of Blows and Power Attack on at the same time in NWN2. Nor does the Frenzy really stack with Regular Rage as it does in PnP.

Anyhow, for such a build, I think you might be better off with some strength based Quarterstaff Monk 12/Fighter 8/Divine Champion 10 build that makes use of the Northlander Hewing. After all, you get BAB of 27, so that is 9 attacks with Greater Flurry of Blows, which should give you 5 Attacks per round with Northlander Hewing.

As for damage:
8 (1d8 maximised)
+15 (Strength of 30, 10*1.5)
+4 (Enchantment bonus)
+14 (Northlander Hewing, 10 from strength modifier and 4 from enchantment bonus)
= 41 a hit.

The downside though, is the AC. If you wear armor, you will lack number of attacks. Then you cannot really raise your dexterity or wisdom very high because you need that high amount of strength. You could go for Improved Combat Expertise, but that too will reduce the number of attacks you get. Thus, if you have 14 in both Dexterity and Wisdom, and you keep drinking potions of Cat's Grace and Owl's Insight, you can have 18 in both and that should give you the same AC as a Halfplate. Which is not that much. Hence, a better build might be: Monk 11/First of the Forest 3/Fighter 6/Divine Champion 10. (It allows you to get your base constitution modifier as extra AC)

So as a human, I think you could start with following stats: This would mean that with the two potions mentioned before, you could get +10 AC from your ability scores, which is 1 AC more than a regular Fullplate with its maximum dexterity bonus. Now, you could have 4 Divine champion bonus feats taken during the epic levels, and you can spend those on Great Wisdom, hence you can get additional +2 AC from Wisdom. (Which basically puts you 1 AC short of wearing a Mithral Fullplate.)

So yeah, Monk 11/Fighter 6/Fist of the Forest 3/Divine Champion 10 might be the best build you can go for. (The Northlander Hewing and Fist of the Forest are there for the 'wild like a frenzied berserker' RP.)

Edit: Monk 11/Fighter 4/Duelist 5/Divine Champion 10 could work too, instead of AC from constitution, you get the Duelist AC from intelligence.