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Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:48 am
by chad878262
Just about 30 minutes ago I started getting notification that my connection is unsafe when going to bgtscc... The bar says "! Not Secure" and the https has a diagonal slash through it.

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:50 am
by mrm3ntalist
Me too. Already reported this to the admins and janniez. It looks like a certificate expired and that there is no real issue

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:01 am
by Akroma666
Super annoying on a mobile.. pops up every time you navigate

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:01 am
by mrm3ntalist
Zanniej is looking into it. Lets wait and hear from the man.

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:06 am
by Calodan
mrm3ntalist wrote:Zanniej is looking into it. Lets wait and hear from the man.
Instant gratification world! WE WANTS OUR FIX NOWZ!!!! :lol:

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:24 pm
by Maecius
Zanniej thought we'd renewed our security certificate, but we missed a step. He's going to be fixing it for us here soon (probably early tomorrow morning).

It should be safe in the sense that we don't have sensitive banking information or anything like that to steal here, but the warnings will keep showing until it's fixed.

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:10 pm
by Omega07
Just when I got paid from work and was gonna donate too! Haha.

Is Skynet attacking us?

Glad I'm not the only one to see this.

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Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:59 am
by K'yon Oblodra
The certificate has nothing to do with security really... It only marks the site as secure because they buy the certificate... Making money with this is all that's behind it... After all people get scared of they get the not secure message despite the site not working any different is really just the certificate that run out which does nothing but tell the browser: "this is a secure site"....

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 1:45 am
by Aspect of Sorrow
Swing and a miss. The transport layer negotiates the means of encryption the browser and Web server will communicate with a basis of the CA which it hinges on for authorization to ensure it is whom the recipient states it is. Run Wireshark and compare the readability of http POST vs https payloads.

If I were nefarious, a MitM attack would mean that someone on this forum probably uses the same log in password they would've used for their email account, which bypasses the one way hash that phpBB performs for the sake of not containing plaintext. HTTPS mitigates that.

We are still using the HTTPS encryption. The browser is just warning the user that yhe certificate used is not what a reliable third party can confirm.

For what it's worth, you can obtain free SSL CA from places like Let's Encrypt. Can't be a money grabbing scheme there.

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:35 am
by Zanniej
Sorry guys, it's fixed again.
I messed up the last step of renewing our certificate on tuesday. It should normally just pick up the new cert when the old one expires, which was yesterday, but since I missed a step, it didn't.

No real biggy, just pretty annoying :) So once again, sorry

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:45 am
by Tsidkenu
Aspect of Sorrow wrote:*snip*
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Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:01 am
by Zanniej
Tsidkenu wrote:
Aspect of Sorrow wrote:*snip*
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The latter ;-)
Though I must admit I must quite often read AoS' remarks (at least) twice to understand, and it's my area of expertise :lol:

But, in an effort to perhaps make it a bit more understandable:
The certificate tells you that the website is indeed who it claims to be. The HTTPS encrypts your connection. In short, that means that where you would first log in without HTTPS, you would send your username and password in plain text. This means that if someone manages to intercept your connection (by insecure WiFi for example), they'll be able to read your username and password. This is a Man-in-the-Middle (MitM) attack.
With HTTPS however, you first connect to the website, which creates a secured connection between you and the website. You both get an encryption code with which you can encode and decode your message. That way, the "Man-in-the-Middle" would only see gibberish, which is only readable if you have the key to decode it.

The above is in very short how it works, though I might've given a bit of a too short explanation here and there. So don't go using this information to pretend you know it all, as I don't know it all either :-P
Should you wish to know more in depth about such things, I recommend asking AoS, as he's more knowledgable in it than I am, I think.

Re: Connection unsafe?

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:44 am
by K'yon Oblodra
And overall the connection would still be safe even without the certificate only that your browser wouldn't be able to tell you if it is or not...