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Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:56 am
by Rudolph
For example:

Would a dual-wielding kama monk with Northlander Hewing get the latter's damage boni (full weapon dmg +STR modifier as dmg) on both kamas?

If so, I have a somwhat technical follow-up question that is relevant to the build plan I have in mind: if, at 26+ BAB, I want the off-hand to have three attacks left with Northlander Hewing on, would I need to have Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting? Or would GTWF be enough? In other words, does the NH attack number penalty remove off-hand attacks that are anyway removed by PTWF?

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:42 am
by Valefort
NH works by removing the last half of the attacks in your attack schedule, whatever it may be. For someone with GTWF and 26 BAB the last 4 attacks ont he attack schedule will be removed ie all the off hand attacks and the last main hand attack.

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:14 am
by Rudolph
Thanks Valefort. This seems new.

So nine attacks would lose 4, i.e. the number of attacks lost is rounded down? Good to know.

On a related note, do Flurry attacks get included in this calculation (including the inoffical attack)? Does Haste? They didn't use to, so I presume not, but then does that mean with Greater Flurry and Haste on you would basically have the following?

This
Main-Hand: (45/45 / 45/40/35)/(30/25/20 / 47)/(47
Off-Hand: 45/40/35)

is northlandered into this:
Main-Hand: (45/45 / 45)/(40/35/30)/(25 / 47/47)

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:43 am
by Valefort
They're counted as well now, included the bugged flurry attack.

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:29 am
by Rudolph
Aaargh. That gimps my idiosyncratic epic Monk/Barbarian build!

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:12 am
by Rudolph
Does this new way of counting every attack also apply to the other attack reducing combat feats?

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:24 am
by Valefort
Yes, unless I missed one by mistake.

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:26 am
by Rudolph
Raaah. What a change. One last question: Is Shield Bash counted in, too? Hopefully not (since it's too weak to justify losing any proper attack for)...

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:29 am
by Valefort
It's not.

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:30 pm
by amber91
Rudolph wrote:Does this new way of counting every attack also apply to the other attack reducing combat feats?
Valefort wrote:Yes, unless I missed one by mistake.
Does it work like this for Sembian Fencing?

I don't have PTWF or any TWF feats to test with, but just holding an offhand weapon with 27BAB, so a total of 6 attacks mainhand, and 1 offhand: it seems to only count the mainhand attacks for bonus purposes. And the offhand attacks just seem to disappear without being counted for anything.

Is that right?

Thanks!

Re: Do server-specific melee feats apply to the offhand?

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:46 pm
by Valefort
Does it work like this for Sembian Fencing?
Yes.
Is that right?
No, I didn't consider this case or using two weapons without having TWF feats.