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Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:27 am
by Sokolsky
I'm thinking about a Wizard / Master Alchemist / Techsmith of Gond / Thaumaturge character, but I don't know if the Gondsman and the Thaumaturge summon can be active at the same time.
If not, does taking the
Leadership feat help?
I'm also quite confused about what slots are available for summons / familiars etc. Could someone explain that to me, or provide a link where it's been explained before?
Thanks in advance!
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:03 am
by Steve
I can very possibly have this wrong because of recent changes, but it should be possible to have:
- Familiar
- Animal Companion
- Summons (elemental/gate/undead/etc.)
- Cohort (planar calling/binding/etc.)
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:46 am
by aaron22
phantom bear is a cohort or summon?
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:13 am
by dedude
Phantom bear is a summon.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:58 pm
by Sokolsky
And what about dominated creatures?
I noticed how, if you first dominate a creature and then summon a new one, the dominated creature gets released. If you do it the other way around - first summoning and then dominating - they can exist next to each other.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:37 pm
by Nachti
- You can have a summon and dominated creature at same time.
- Gondsman takes the animal companion slot. So you can have a gondsman and planar cohort at same time.
- A Phantomwolf can become a cohort aswell.
- Leadership feat does not help.
- Palemaster summons take summon slot.
- Animate Dead takes swarm slots.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:50 pm
by aaron22
Nachti wrote:- You can have a summon and dominated creature at same time.
- Gondsman takes the animal companion slot. So you can have a gondsman and planar cohort at same time.
- A Phantomwolf can become a cohort aswell.
- Leadership feat does not help.
- Palemaster summons take summon slot.
- Animate Dead takes swarm slots.
more confused now...
phantom wolf/bear can be up and get benefits from therm5? as well as have companion and summon 9? then call of wild and have a zoo at my disposal?
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:59 pm
by Nachti
Yes. A thaumaturge druid or spirit shaman can have a Phantom Bear and Wolf at the same time.
This has been in for a long time but when I now think about it, does it make sense lorewise?
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:16 pm
by dedude
No, phantom bear/wolf is not supposed to take the cohort slot, they are summons. But they benefit from the other thauma summoning feats.
The phantom bear spell should be of the same power level as gate, phantom wolf a bit lower.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:47 pm
by Hawke
Here is my experience.
Familiar out.
Companion out.
Summon of some kind out.
Sometimes when you cast the second summon, the first summon goes away or gets kicked from your "group" . Then it does its own thing.
Doesn't happen all the time... but I have duplicated it three times.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:23 am
by Sokolsky
Nachti wrote:- You can have a summon and dominated creature at same time.
- Gondsman takes the animal companion slot. So you can have a gondsman and planar cohort at same time.
- A Phantomwolf can become a cohort aswell.
- Leadership feat does not help.
- Palemaster summons take summon slot.
- Animate Dead takes swarm slots.
Though I find the above post especially clear, I still decided to download jegs and try it out first. However, I seem unable to take the Techsmith of Gond class in jegs, despite being positive on meeting
the requirements. Just to be certain, I actually kept leveling up and taking all three of the skill focus feats and all of the item creation feats, but it was to no avail (that's the expression, right?). Is this a known jegs bug?
Also, I find it odd that the class mentions these to requirements:
The wiki wrote:Class: Cleric
...
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 4th level divine or arcane spells
Surely the spellcasting requirement should be
Ability to cast 4th level divine spells?
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:27 am
by mrm3ntalist
Sokolsky wrote:Surely the spellcasting requirement should be Ability to cast 4th level divine spells?
No. It's divine or arcane
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 am
by Glowfire
For some classes in Jegs, you need to give yourself the qualification feat. May or may not be the case here.
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:26 am
by Sokolsky
Glowfire wrote:For some classes in Jegs, you need to give yourself the qualification feat. May or may not be the case here.
How can I give myself such a qualification feat?
Re: Summon slots
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:42 am
by Glowfire
Feat giver dude. Or you input a feat number.
As said, not sure one exists for this class.