steadfast determination on a dexer

[HauteCarl]

In regards to a dex rogue / assassin build:

I am looking at a spare feat and was thinking about Epic toughness but..

Can steadfast determination essentially turn wisdom into a dump stat? I was thinking about working this feat into a build that currently has 12 con and 10 wis starting. Seems I can drop wis to 8 and put Con to 14 I gain the same amount of HP and +2 will / +1 fort saves.

The only skills this build would use that are affected by wis modifier are Heal and Spot and I think dropping wisdom from 10 to 8 is only -1 spot -1 heal.

Trying not to miss anything before I build this.

[Tsidkenu]

That is correct, not to mention having Steadfast will permit you to potentially ignore those pesky 1 rolls on Fort & Will saves, assuming you still have enough saving throws to pass the DC. That's pretty useful for a rogue character.

[Nyeleni]

The issue is getting fort and will high enough that steadfast determination matters.

You would need a class like Divine Champion to help you with the saves. But the synergy is poor.

And dex builds usually have very poor saves but for reflex. Maybe Annointed Knight or Warrior of Darkness might help.

[Deathgrowl]

I'd say it depends on what kind of dexer you're building. If it's a rogue sneak attack type, then you'll most likely not get a lot out of it. Some archer builds (particularly with high fighter and/or ranger portions) will have decent fortitude saves.

If it's a rogue/assassin build, spend your epic feats on improved sneak attack instead. You're better served by doing more damage.

[HauteCarl]

Thanks for the feedback.
I probably am going to take Steadfast. +3 will saves and no auto fail on rolling a 1 is just too good to pass up. End base will save is pushed from 9 to 12 which is not much but the enemies here have a tendency to implode / destruct often and I have been sent to the fugue from rolling 1's over a dozen times. Also fear is a pain to deal with.

Just curious, what is the penalty for a level 30 character going to the fugue, seems xp doesn't matter at that point which may influence my decision.

[Nyeleni]

Penalty is 3000xp but it doesn't matter much anymore.

[Tsidkenu]

*snip* no auto fail on rolling a 1 is just too good to pass up *snip*

Just a reminder: this feature only applies under the assumption that your saving throw is still adequate to beat the DC.

If a basilisk shoots you a petrification gaze and you roll 1+15 vs DC 20, you still get turned to stone. A roll of 1+25 vs DC 20 would see you safe & sound.

[mrm3ntalist]

Steadfast Determination is close to useless for such builds. If you have a spare feat on a rogue/assassin build, then you missed something. Something more important than steadfast.

[HauteCarl]

Steadfast Determination is close to useless for such builds. If you have a spare feat on a rogue/assassin build, then you missed something. Something more important than steadfast.

I dropped weapon focus, there are too many situations where needing 2 different types of weapons have come into play for me. The build I based this off of had a feat designated to either weapon focus or improved two weapon defense.