Polymorph Self...current state?

[Steve]

Hello,
Is anyone using this spell in its most current, developed form? What is your opinion?

Additionally, is there anything being done in development for its future, something we can learn about in terms of numbers/effectiveness of the forms themselves?

Thanks.

[Nachti]

The adjustments to polymorph were just preperations for a larger update.

[Steve]

The adjustments to polymorph were just preperations for a larger update.

Did the recent adjustments get posted anywhere? Are the future adjustments concrete and able to be publicly published? Thanks.

[Nachti]

The adjustments to polymorph were just preperations for a larger update.

Did the recent adjustments get posted anywhere? .

No adjustments have been made to the forms itself. I merely added them to the new radial system and changed the structure of the script.

EDIT: One change has been made. Its now possible to polymorph an ally.

Are the future adjustments concrete and able to be publicly published?

Not yet, they depend on "what I will be able to script" and "whats wanted from lore side". The only thing I can say is that I want to add boni for each transmutation focus, similiar to what has been done to conjuration foci.

[Steve]

Okay, thanks. So the forms themselves are still the Vanilla NWN2 spell forms?

And, I'm still curious if any mages out there are using the spell to some effectiveness.

[Nachti]

I used troll form to bash chests open and regenerate the trap dmg.

[Valefort]

I used the troll form to kill mobs for 3-4 levels

[Flights of Fantasy]

The forms all suck after level 5 and/or you get good enough AC gear. I'm looking forward to seeing them improved as being able to shape shift via arcane magic was something my "Arcane Druidess" was attempting to emulate.

[Steve]

The forms all suck after level 5 ...

Ha! That's what I thought.

Although, one could assume that though Polymorph Self states to lose effectiveness early, one then looks forward to Shapechange, for Epic content. Maybe?!?

[Valefort]

Giving more sustainable power to wizards is really something that should be avoided, the new shapes shouldn't be better for combat than the existing ones.

[Steve]

Do you think a spell good for only 3–4 levels is sustainable?

I guess the real question is whether the current shapes ARE at all good for combat.

Because really...Polymorph is a much more powerful spell. Unless I wrongly assume the Polymorph Self shapes progress up to 15 HD?!?

[Valefort]

Polymorph doesn't change your HD.

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The shapes can already be good for combat, you merely have to build for it : get high BAB and power attack.

[Flights of Fantasy]

You can't fix the AC, though. That's the biggest issue. If more AC carried over from your gear, it'd be a different story. Most you can do currently is use Combat Expertise.

[Steve]

A wizard or sorcerer with high AB and Power Attack?!?

At that point your toon is a gish, and will be much better off with armor and a sword AND the ability to continue to cast spells, unlike when polymorphed.

But yeah, IF one could at least have high AC, then low chance to hit and low damage would be acceptable, just take longer to kill things.

[Valefort]

No I said high BAB, not high AB. Go to 13 STR and stop there, wiz/ek/ dragon slayer/ thaumaturge kind of split, cohort, summon, cast shapechange after you buffed your army and enjoy ~

You'll also have very respectable DCs since you maxed INT.