Ulcasters Shadow Plane.

[ZestyDragon]

The creatures in this area need a serious rework. I went in with a friend believing the (CR 18) warning on the portal. It was a horrible lie.

Nightwalkers that drain stats with no saves, Shades that have high saves and immunity. Those Three books at the start? Spell breach, missile storms and bigbys. Then the mages up stairs with finger of death spam and greater summon undead. Those vampires on their own are hard for a level 18 and the entire thing is concluded with 3 super shadow demons, With 50% concealment, immunity to pretty much everything i could cast but IGMS, summons that stun despite mind blank and improved evasion with high saves.

[Velaris]

Sounds like a party I want to go to

[Valefort]

Yeah this area is nowhere near CR 18, it's probably at least around 25

[mrm3ntalist]

LEts update the cr rating then

[ZestyDragon]

Eh i think it would be better lowering the difficulty. There are not enough areas filling that pre - low epic area 18 - 22. However there are more then enough high epic level areas for looting etc.

[mrm3ntalist]

Eh i think it would be better lowering the difficulty. There are not enough areas filling that pre - low epic area 18 - 22. However there are more then enough high epic level areas for looting etc.

That is not true
- Ogre Cave
- Troll Cave
- The stone giant cave
- The undead crypt in gullykin
- Dragon spear Castle ( that might be of lower CR
- The lizard cave

and others i cannot think of atm.

[ZestyDragon]

Ogre cave is lower, Stone giant cave requires 2 people with high strength. Troll Cave has to high AB, You need 45 AC which is hard to get when you don't have epic gear or epic level. Dragon Spear Castle is to low and the Lizard cave is like a five minute visit.

Epic level areas
- Naga Queens Palace
- Black dragon
- Hell
- Frost Giants
- Chaos
- Vault of the Dead
- Fire Giants
- Reaching woods
- Ice Dragon
- Lich Cave

[mrm3ntalist]

Ogre cave is lower, Stone giant cave requires 2 people with high strength. Troll Cave has to high AB, You need 45 AC which is hard to get when you don't have epic gear or epic level. Dragon Spear Castle is to low and the Lizard cave is like a five minute visit.

Those areas are about 20CR. An epic runs trhough them like it is nothing. Of course they will provide some challenge, some will have high AB other AC etc. That doesn mean the areas are epic.

Now add Durlags, the Crypt in the fields of the dead, The reaching woods ( which you conveniently added to epics ).

There are more than enough areas of that CR.

Epic level areas
- Naga Queens Palace
- Black dragon
- Hell
- Frost Giants
- Chaos
- Vault of the Dead
- Fire Giants
- Reaching woods
- Ice Dragon
- Lich Cave