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Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:22 pm
by Avowed
I've been toying with the idea of trying out a dwarven defender character. Karond's DD has been a pretty well-regarded build, but with evasion no longer working in medium/heavy armor, how would you build a DD now? Would you replace the cleric (or monk, or whatever you used for evasion) levels with more fighter, or maybe try to incorporate a different class that would boost damage since that line of defense is gone?

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:49 pm
by Deathgrowl
Get two more dex and wear light armour (mithral chain mail).

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:34 pm
by Valefort
That's the cheap solution, alternatively keep you heavy armor and aim to gather different sets of items to protect you against x elements, immunity % against a given damage type stack and such items drop regularly from the random loot generator.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:36 pm
by Calodan
Just buy +4 Dex gloves from Elves and wear mith chain mail. Only 1 less AC overall.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:12 am
by Sun Wukong
What are the evasion changes anyhow... since I do not see them listed anywhere?

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:20 am
by Sun Wukong
Avowed wrote:I've been toying with the idea of trying out a dwarven defender character. Karond's DD has been a pretty well-regarded build, but with evasion no longer working in medium/heavy armor, how would you build a DD now? Would you replace the cleric (or monk, or whatever you used for evasion) levels with more fighter, or maybe try to incorporate a different class that would boost damage since that line of defense is gone?
I might just make something like a Fighter/Dwarven Defender/Divine Champion...

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:13 am
by Valefort
Evasion doesn't work in medium or heavy armor anymore, Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Man-at-Arms get a free feat at level 8 giving them 15% (medium)/20%(heavy) immunity against all elemental damage when they wear a medium or heavy armor.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:30 am
by Sun Wukong
Valefort wrote:Evasion doesn't work in medium or heavy armor anymore, Fighter/Barbarian/Paladin/Man-at-Arms get a free feat at level 8 giving them 15% (medium)/20%(heavy) immunity against all elemental damage when they wear a medium or heavy armor.
Oh, okay! Umm... can that resistance be turned off? In case someone casts Energy Immunity on me... which bumps the resistance to 115% or 120%... And the game engine gives me 15% or 20% damage weakness...

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:32 am
by Valefort
No, and the way energy immunity works is not through percentage but through a 9999 DR to that damage type, don't ask me why :D

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:20 am
by Sun Wukong
Valefort wrote:No, and the way energy immunity works is not through percentage but through a 9999 DR to that damage type, don't ask me why :D
Just remembering that if cast both Shadow Shield and Death Ward on the same creature, the 100% immunity to negative damage from both actually turned into a 50% vulnerability to negative damage.

I think Energy Immunity had the same issue, if cast with something that also provided X% of damage reduction, such as Elemental Shield.

I guess Energy Immunity has been changed then - or I remember something else.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:02 am
by mrm3ntalist
There was never an issue with Energy Immunity

We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.

The only current issue that i have seen now is with DR. For example if you cast premonition then Shadow Shield, the DR10(SS) is used instead of DR30 ( premonition )

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:23 am
by Babuguuscooties
mrm3ntalist wrote:There was never an issue with Energy Immunity

We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.

The only current issue that i have seen now is with DR. For example if you cast premonition then Shadow Shield, the DR10(SS) is used instead of DR30 ( premonition )
As a wizard this is good to know lol. What about Greater Stoneskin/Stoneskin? Does those stack, or does one override the other?

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:10 am
by Tsidkenu
The highest DR is supposed to take precedence. You should have 20/adamantine until your Greater Stoneskin expired, at which point the 10/adamantine from Stoneskin would take over. Whether it actually works that way is another question entirely.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:19 am
by Wyatt
There is still a problem with dragonslayer/warlock dr overriding warlock dr from dark premonition as well.

Re: Evasion-free Dwarven Defender

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:32 am
by Sun Wukong
mrm3ntalist wrote:We will need to test shadow shield and death ward. If it is happening maybe this can be fixed.
Change EffectDamageImmunity to EffectDamageResistance(DAMAGE_TYPE_NEGATIVE, 9999, 0);

That's all gibberish to me, just saying.