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Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:54 am
by Rinzler
Almost all other Necromancy spells excluding death magic heal undead. I'm curious why Horrid Wilting does not. More curious rather than an open suggestion.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:58 am
by Nachti
Its magic damage, not negative energy.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:03 am
by Tantive
Pretty much. Its the negative energy thats providing the healing factor for undead while positive for the living.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:06 am
by Rinzler
I get it now. Thanks

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:50 pm
by Archaos
Horrid Wilting is supposed to suck all the hydration from the body and that's where the damage is coming from.

Not sure if it works on undead, it probably shouldn't.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/horridWilting.htm

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:12 pm
by Rinzler
Archaos wrote:Horrid Wilting is supposed to suck all the hydration from the body and that's where the damage is coming from.

Not sure if it works on undead, it probably shouldn't.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/horridWilting.htm
"Sucking Hydration" sounds like negative energy to me.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:21 pm
by Hoihe
Think about what Horrid Wilting does.

Does that sound like it should help undead at all? At most, it's useful in preparing a body to turn into undead later.

But it does nothing that would make the undead cling to its unlife harder.

Directly conjuring and injecting negative energy helps. Using negative energy as a conduit for a physical change doesn't.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:30 pm
by Rinzler
Hoihe wrote:Think about what Horrid Wilting does.

Does that sound like it should help undead at all? At most, it's useful in preparing a body to turn into undead later.

But it does nothing that would make the undead cling to its unlife harder.

Directly conjuring and injecting negative energy helps. Using negative energy as a conduit for a physical change doesn't.
It may not help undead but it definitely should not harm them.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:53 pm
by Blackman D
Horrid has no effect on undead, specifically states so in the spell description

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:42 am
by Babuguuscooties
Should it be acid damage though? It seems odd that its magic damage, but then who am I to say lol.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:10 am
by Rhifox
It should not be acid damage. It is damage incurred through the draining of moisture from the body; that's not acid.

In 5e the description specifies that it deals necrotic damage, which is negative damage. So it should deal negative damage if it were to deal any specific damage type. But in 3.5 there is "untyped" damage, which is what 3.5's horrid wilting deals. That's probably why they went with magic damage for NWN2, to replicate the untyped aspect.

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:02 pm
by Blackman D
It's most likely magical because it's not met to be resisted by energy immunities, similar to extract water elemental or drown

Re: Should Horrid Wilting heal undead?

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:29 pm
by metaquad4
Untyped damage is classified as magical damage in nwn2. Same as with extract water elemental, bard's inspire courage, disintegrate, etc.