Comparing Silverstar and Stormlord

[PhantomLamb]

These two classes are probably meant to oppose one another. But by the Wiki, it looks like Silverstar follows the pattern of the original Stormlord, prior to server debuffs. They aren't exactly duplicates of each other, but the things that stick out comparing SS to SL:
* Full spell progression vs. partial
* Weapon enchantment vs. none

I will grant that the 10th level ability is better for SL, but the overall sum of the parts looks much stronger for SS. Is this something you'd consider adjusting, or scaling back on the nerfs? It's like playing a BG, knowing your mortal enemy Paladin is just going to out-gun you.

[chad878262]

Well, StormLord still gets shocking burst + Sonic Weapon (1d8 electrical, 1d8 sonic, 2d8 massive crit) whereas Silverstar only gets +2 extra EB and the 1d8 electrical/2d8 sonic. So comparing apples to apples the Silverstar has +2 AB over the SL while the SL has ~4.5 average damage per hit over the Silverstar. SL also becomes immune to Electrical damage and 1/day extended Storm Avatar, but then Silverstar gets True Seeing and Moonfire.

[PhantomLamb]

You're right about the damage, but I think it's a difference of only 2.5. The EB also contributes to damage.

SL Avg.: 4.5 + 4.5 + 9/20 = 9.45

SS Avg.: 2 + 4.5 + 9/20 = 6.95

The electrical immunity is about even to me with all the other feats from SS. I grant you the capstone feat is better, but full spell progression outweighs it. Would be neat maybe to see SL turn more toward a melee style build than SS and get high BAB or a melee-related feat as a kicker to even them out. Or my scales could be biased, too

[Sun Wukong]

I do not think the Silverstar should get stacking +2 EB. The description itself says that it doesn't stack, so if it does... it is a bug.

[PhantomLamb]

Haven't tested, but this is assuming a plain weapon. You could argue that any of the damage items are stacking right? And it's also automatic rather than reactivation every 30 sec.

[Sun Wukong]

Silverstar has easier time qualifying for their PRC, and doesn't even need to get Practised Spellcaster feat.

[Theodore01]

Silverstar has easier time qualifying for their PRC, and doesn't even need to get Practised Spellcaster feat.

But need to take a utterly 'worthless' feat.

Well, StormLord still gets shocking burst + Sonic Weapon (1d8 electrical, 1d8 sonic, 2d8 massive crit) whereas Silverstar only gets +2 extra EB and the 1d8 electrical/2d8 sonic.

A silverstar gets 1d8 electrical, no sonic at all.

[chad878262]

Silverstar has easier time qualifying for their PRC, and doesn't even need to get Practised Spellcaster feat.

But need to take a utterly 'worthless' feat.

Well, StormLord still gets shocking burst + Sonic Weapon (1d8 electrical, 1d8 sonic, 2d8 massive crit) whereas Silverstar only gets +2 extra EB and the 1d8 electrical/2d8 sonic.

A silverstar gets 1d8 electrical, no sonic at all.

Meant 2d8 massive crit, not 2d8 sonic. typo on my part.

That said, both can cast GMW so the +2 EB from Silverstar is negligible. Stormlord is very similar for divines to what Dragonslayer or Bladesinger is to arcane so it follows they would get 6/10 progression IMO.

[LuvHandles]

These two classes are probably meant to oppose one another.

IMO, a more appropriate opposition class for the Silverstar would be the Shadow Adept. Selûne is locked in eternal conflict with her sister Shar, and though Selûne may oppose Talos ideologically, her followers actively work against the worshipers of Shar.

As for the power level of the two classes versus the requirements, it seems ok to me. Of course I play a Silverstar, so I am probably a little biased.

[Wolfrayne]

These two classes are probably meant to oppose one another.

IMO, a more appropriate opposition class for the Silverstar would be the Shadow Adept. Selûne is locked in eternal conflict with her sister Shar, and though Selûne may oppose Talos ideologically, her followers actively work against the worshipers of Shar.

As for the power level of the two classes versus the requirements, it seems ok to me. Of course I play a Silverstar, so I am probably a little biased.

Opposed to shadow adepts? never! My shadow adept is good friends with a couple of Selune worshipers! honest!....

[Sun Wukong]

Silverstar has easier time qualifying for their PRC, and doesn't even need to get Practised Spellcaster feat.

But need to take a utterly 'worthless' feat.

And gets one of their required feats from a domain, and the other feat opens up the Warpriest PRC.

Stormlord requires 3 feats, no skipping feats unless you use Ranger as the base, and you have to spent another feat on Practised Spellcaster. And Stormlord requirements do not exactly open up a path for any other PRC...

[dedude]

Taking the darkness domain as a cleric of Selune is really cheesy, and is, as far as I'm concerned, a lore error on this server.

Stormlord and Silverstar are not some sort of divine opposites. No need to compare each little detail and expect equals.