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Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:26 am
by J3456789
Can you change the HD limit for the spell Glass Doppelganger to 'creatures with more HD than the caster are immune' instead of 15 HD limit please?
It's already way weaker than Shadow Simulacrum, the HD limit makes it useless.
The duration is 6 seconds per caster level, you're not going to a level 15 area then running to where you want to be.
There are way too many broken or useless spells; we need more worthwhile choices.
You raised the damage cap on many spells like Magic Missle so they could be used at later levels, this would continue that trend.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:59 am
by Sun Wukong
I think you should raise the cap of the spell to 30. (And add Shadow Simulacrum boss limitations.)
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:19 am
by Valefort
How about .. removing the cap for being able to copy but deleveling the copied creature to level 15 + 3 * (number of spell focus in illusion) ?
That way someone with epic spell focus illusion would get a 24 HD creature.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:44 am
by izzul
Valefort wrote:How about .. removing the cap for being able to copy but deleveling the copied creature to level 15 + 3 * (number of spell focus in illusion) ?
That way someone with epic spell focus illusion would get a 24 HD creature.
maybe 17 + 2 * (number of spell focus in illusion)?
spell focus illusion would get a 19 HD creatures
Greater spell focus illusion would get a 21HD creatures
Epic spell focus illusion would get 23HD creatures
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:57 am
by Sun Wukong
Valefort wrote:How about .. removing the cap for being able to copy but deleveling the copied creature to level 15 + 3 * (number of spell focus in illusion) ?
That way someone with epic spell focus illusion would get a 24 HD creature.
How how about deleveling it to (2/3 of your caster level) + 3 * (Number of Spell Focus in Illusion)
Thus it would be about HD 20 for no illusion focus, and 29 for someone with illusion focus. (Shadow simulacrum would still be two times your caster level)
But anyhow... Even your suggestion would be an improvement.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:47 am
by chad878262
There is no desire to have summons of cr29, that is too strong. Valefort proposal matches up with current power levels pretty well, especially for the lower spell level.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:37 am
by Sun Wukong
As I said before, Valefort's suggesion would be an improvement to the spell.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:55 am
by Wolfrayne
Valefort wrote:How about .. removing the cap for being able to copy but deleveling the copied creature to level 15 + 3 * (number of spell focus in illusion) ?
That way someone with epic spell focus illusion would get a 24 HD creature.
My Illusionist approves.
Re: Glass Doppelganger HD Limit
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:26 pm
by metaquad4
chad878262 wrote:There is no desire to have summons of cr29, that is too strong. Valefort proposal matches up with current power levels pretty well, especially for the lower spell level.
It is a clone spell, not the same as a summoning spell. It would copy up to CL 29, it would have no concealment, and it would be summoned at 1/4 HP. It would still be inferior to shadow sim, but at-least it would have some use.