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Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:03 am
by KOPOJIbPAKOB
Ironically, gray orcs in NWN2 are really cute and beautiful with kind facial expressions, especially compared to brutal and harsh half-orcs. So there is a question — can I create a half-orc with green/gray skin and assume this is a full orc? For example, all orcs in Uruk Lurra and Upperdark orc camp use half-orc models (but considered as full orcs). And if I can't do it — why don't you add the black orcs subrace that looks like half-orcs but with another colors for skin/eyes?
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:07 am
by Zanniej
You can't pretend to be a full orc, due to the "Play your sheet" rule.
Adding black orcs has been mentioned before (multiple times), but there were some issues with adding monster races... You'd have to look for the old suggestion to find what the arguments against it were, as I don't know.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:18 pm
by aaron22
more faces would be a step in a good direction if you ask me.
i know. you are not asking me
this might be a better approach then trying to get black orcs as playables again.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:38 pm
by Calodan
I just got to say funny how we have genasi of all types. Elves of all types. Dwarves of all types. Even humans in IMaskari but do orcs get some love? Nope......
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:57 pm
by Steve
Steve wrote:Maecius wrote:It's come up frequently (the idea to change gray orcs to black orcs, which are server specific orcs that have no lore basis, but did play a large role in a couple of metaplots, and now have a [semi]permanent presence on the server).
I don't recall why it wasn't done. Possibly because it would affect existing gray orcs? But I'd have to go look back at the last decision. Possibly because the last time it came up we had nobody on staff capable of editing the 2das/character race files.
That was were it ended...plus, as part of the DM Team debating it at the time, there was an inability to figure out what the Favored Class would be (let me tell you, I argued for something POWERFUL, cause it was nearly universally agreed playing a Black Orc would be a constantly hunted 24/7 type of RP, and the Player Race could use some help). But I think the last Favored Class that had most promise the the
Hunter base class, which as well, never made it to prime time (though QC did approve it a looooong time ago).
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:01 pm
by chad878262
Calodan wrote:I just got to say funny how we have genasi of all types. Elves of all types. Dwarves of all types. Even humans in IMaskari
All included in the base game or expansion...
Calodan wrote:but do orcs get some love? Nope......
1/2 Orcs were given +1 Constitution and Blooded feat for free. While not a huge bump nothing was taken away from them and they are still 0 ECL. In addition the Tanuruk is the only custom race to this server, so I would say Orcs have been given more love than any other race in that regard.
While I am not against Black Orcs as a server lore appropriate option (would actually likely be like Mountain Orcs), if the issues are with scripts or balance I don't think we should introduce them. That said if there is enough desire for such I am sure it can be revisited and an appropriate balance can be found with an orcish race. It's been discussed in the past, nothing keeping further discussions from occurring.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:39 pm
by aaron22
there is nothing wrong with the grey orc race. it is perhaps the strongest version of the orc races and has more RP options to it as it also a more versatile background. grey orcs can be RPed as mountain or black orcs "barbarian smash" and be viable, but can also be devout worshipers and scholars as well.
but grey orcs are way way better than mountain orcs. lets not go backwards here.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:47 pm
by aaron22
but more than 3 face models would be great.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:35 am
by Sun Wukong
So what are these '
Black Orcs' because those have a long history of being many things on this server. Are they mountain orcs, or are they members of a
slave race created by the Thayans that managed to escape, or are they whatever else the DMs of this server have made them be over the years?
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:33 am
by Sputnik
They are mountain orcs wearing blackface.
DM confirmed.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:04 am
by NegInfinity
Calodan wrote:I just got to say funny how we have genasi of all types. Elves of all types. Dwarves of all types. Even humans in IMaskari but do orcs get some love? Nope......
Let's add Kobolds and then watch the world burn.
http://www.tuckerskobolds.com/
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:49 am
by Sun Wukong
Sputnik wrote:They are mountain orcs wearing blackface.
DM confirmed.
They are Thayan slave orcs.
DM confirmed.
They are a magical mutation of grey orcs.
DM confirmed.
They are a crossbreed between mountain and grey orcs.
DM confirmed.
They are my little pony fans...
DM confirmed.
They are...
DM confirmed.
Honestly, the different DMs over the years have used 'black orcs' for a multitude of different backrounds and events, and what not. Technically, they are the more modern version of 'Captain Deudermont' events.
But anyhow, make them a Thayan slave race. You can have the Thayans offer them as mercenary muscle. You can have them stand around in few places, and a little while later you can have an ogre bouncer in the blushing mermaid inn.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:25 pm
by cosmic ray
Gray orcs look more like half-orcs and half-orcs look like pure orcs. :p
Vanilla elf faces look like the elephant man.
Re: Full orc not brutal enough
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:39 am
by Archaos
Zanniej wrote:
Adding black orcs has been mentioned before (multiple times), but there were some issues with adding monster races...
There have been issues about vampires/werewolves/etc I believe, not vanilla Mountain Orcs.
Gray Orcs, Drow, Tanarruk, Duergar are ALL monster races.
And Gray Orcs are supposed to be rarer than Mountain Orcs.
Which are actually THE default Orcs.
We really do need proper Mountain Orcs.
And probably the strongest type of Orcs are Orogs probably.
Which are basically the Underdark dark Orcs, which might be what the "Black Orcs" are supposed to be.