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Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:53 pm
by Steve
The Leadership feat is a requirement for the Dreadmaster PrC, and if you're not aware, is a Feat from Storm of Zehir expansion for NWN2, which allows the Feat taker to gain 1 additional cohort in your Party.

However, it provides zero other benefits. I would like to suggest giving it some benefit, for taking it, not only as it unlocks Dreadmaster, but as reason for non-Dreadmaster builds to possibly want to take it, as well.

Leadership is defined as:
...the action of leading a group of people or an organization, or the ability to do this.

synonyms: guidance, direction, authority, control, management, superintendence, supervision; organization, government, orchestration, initiative, influence
Some suggestions as to what it could provide:

- a Skill Focus feat.
- +2 to 1–2 Skills, such as Diplomacy/Intimidate/Sense Motive
- +1 to a Save (either Fortitude or Will)
- Cast Eagle's Splendor 1/day for x rounds + CHA mod.

I don't know...it just seems the Feat only exists now as a Requirement for Dreadmaster—a tax—where before, even, it would NEVER be taken.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:07 pm
by Hendrak
we also have true believer as "tax" feat for some PrC.

It would be unbalaced to buff Leadership but no true believer. Also it would lower the "taxes".

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:41 pm
by PiaMango
Isn't this the same for the true believer feat which is a requirement for some other prcs? Would be nice if there was at least a minor benefit like you have suggested

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:17 pm
by DeepFriedMoose
Nice suggestion, Steve. I think it makes a lot of sense.

I would also like to see "True Believer" get some additional benefit, aside from being a pre-req Feat for a PrC.

In the case of "Leadership", a +Will save seems very appropriate -- a leader gives morale support first and foremost. Perhaps a +Will/+Fort combo makes sense, too.

As for "True Believer", it strikes me that one with unshakable Faith would have better Will saves, at the very least (+1), and perhaps extend that confidence to party members, too (+1 Will save to all).

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:41 pm
by PiaMango
I think +1 will save to allies in an aura makes sense for Leadership. Leadership is supposed to a trait about affecting others rather than an internal trait. Similar to the leadership background which gives allies a +1 to attack

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Fair suggestions. I will copy them to the QC forums.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:52 am
by Steve
PiaMango wrote:I think +1 will save to allies in an aura makes sense for Leadership. Leadership is supposed to a trait about affecting others rather than an internal trait. Similar to the leadership background which gives allies a +1 to attack
Yeah, that makes some sense, though Background Feats usually are of a lesser power than Level Up Feats, as in Bckground < General < Epic feats.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:21 am
by Thorsson
+1 to other's skills for leadership makes sense. +1 to attack does as well, but seems too powerful as you say.

As for True Believer, then surely +1 to Will Save seems fair, or maybe +1 to Lore:Religion.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:04 am
by aaron22
like the leadership feat granting a + to those in party excluding self.

perhaps for true believer we could give them a once/rest reroll on a failed concentration check?

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:10 am
by aaron22
or maybe for true believer you have a usable clicky that will roll twice a lore religion check and take the highest amount.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:02 am
by electric mayhem
True believer should grant a -1 Bluff and +1 to will saving. Something similar to the Devout background feat?
Whilst devout in their belief, a true believer couldn't bluff their way in a conversation outside of their primary religion?
*shrug* Something has to give right? Needs some form of negative.

Or it could just be a +1 Will Saving.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:36 pm
by DeepFriedMoose
That's a fair point, EM -- Would it make more sense to nix True Believer altogether, and just have the PrC prerequisite be the "Devout" background feat?

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:58 am
by electric mayhem
DeepFriedMoose wrote:That's a fair point, EM -- Would it make more sense to nix True Believer altogether, and just have the PrC prerequisite be the "Devout" background feat?

Or this :D

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:09 am
by Valefort
It's a requirement for some PRCs, it's not going away.

Re: Suggestion: Leadership feat

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:31 am
by Thorsson
Valefort wrote:It's a requirement for some PRCs, it's not going away.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

That's the way to respond to a reasonable request. You must have been on a management course recently. <:D