Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Hello I've been running into a lot of merchant characters recently that seem to use in game items to refer to OOC game mechanics such as listing.

"Examine player for list" well that's out right breaking the third wall and immersion.

I don't understand how this allowed? It clearly is not in the heart of role-play and makes the game mechanics very obvious.

Again i would stress that I use an in game character description to describe items I might be carrying or that is at my stall but I try to maintain that suspension of disbelief.

Not a rant.. just curious if anyone else finds it immersion breaking and thus offensive to Role play? I know there are many instances of other game mechanics that also ruin immersion.

This one however is glaringly obvious that it breaks immersion.

I really don't mind if you have merchants but as a merchant character.. I put a lot of effort into maintaining the role playing aspect. I have very little interest in profits as the soul driving force. So much so that it's starting to break immersion.

I strongly feel this the wrong direction to go with merchant characters and it seems to bother some other people I've talked to.


thoughts?

Were that the case we would have to adjust the NPC merchants.

Were you able to edit full descriptions of placable signs and save it with the same ease as the editor for the character, you might see a change. Also, items you drop dissappear on a crash. You don't want to have to make a new list each time, or lose an item. They could do much better with the way they present an ooc direction granted.

The issue is if you put the available items in the description of a placeable and someone accidentally picks it up, that description is lost and you have to start over. By putting it in the character description you can be sure it will stay.

I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

chad878262 wrote:I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

If only there was a tool for that.

chad878262 wrote:The issue is if you put the available items in the description of a placeable and someone accidentally picks it up, that description is lost and you have to start over. By putting it in the character description you can be sure it will stay.

I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

Perhaps not listing items and encouraging roleplay instead ? I don't see an issue with simply roleplaying out what you have. My "Customers" Ask me what I have for sale I find they enjoy the Role-playing aspect of explaining items and services I carry. I don't feel it's tedium in the least and enjoy every detail of the process. Encouraging all around me to roleplay.

My issues is not so much with the description on characters. But the In game Items asking us us to examine others. << The item like a sign telling us to use game mechanics In character. It's immersive breaking.

You are instantly aware that the sign breaks the third wall. And reminded you're playing a game instead of part of a story or fantasy world.

I also find it funny. That OOC tags and chat bother players like crazy but this.. oversight does not. That makes no sense to me either.

Aspect of Sorrow wrote:

chad878262 wrote:I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

If only there was a tool for that.

still easier just to put it in your description so anyone interested can just examine.

As to immersion breaking, how are you to know what you're getting without some level of meta knowledge being used. It's easy to say Greater or Epic X for items everyone knows, but if selling a RIG item with +4 EB, d4 bonus fire damage and some other stuff it can get a bit difficult. How does one IC'ly describe d4 bonus fire damage vs. bonus 1 fire damage?

chad878262 wrote:

Aspect of Sorrow wrote:

chad878262 wrote:I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

If only there was a tool for that.

still easier just to put it in your description so anyone interested can just examine.

As to immersion breaking, how are you to know what you're getting without some level of meta knowledge being used. It's easy to say Greater or Epic X for items everyone knows, but if selling a RIG item with +4 EB, d4 bonus fire damage and some other stuff it can get a bit difficult. How does one IC'ly describe d4 bonus fire damage vs. bonus 1 fire damage?

You don't and it's simple you say this one is "better quality" by a few tiers...

And I have no issues with descriptions as long as the Pc follows a roleplay friendly format. But I do have an issue with the signs telling you to examine a PC for a list.

Ease of use should always take back seat to immersion and roleplay on a PW roleplay server.

Right away it ruins the fantasy.

I would conclude that I am more than willing to give up in game props to ensure this does not continue to happen and stand by what I say.

I would also suggest that merchant characters require Dm approval imo.

Anyways thank you for listening.

names above the head are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with histories are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with the default are immersion breaking.

people with lore checks and spot checks in their char bio, is immersion breaking

DM only merchants?

((ooc chat is immersion breaking

tells are immersion breaking

using the term "tiers" is gamey, and immersion breaking.

" sharindalar's round brown buttock" is immersion breaking

exchanging "50 bags of gold" is immersion breaking

people casting daze on the alchemy bench is immersion breaking

big blue transition points on the map, is immersion breaking

pressing z to see interactable items, is immersion breaking

seeing how many hit points of damage you did to an enemy, is immersion breaking.

names above monsters, that let you know what to expect, is immersion breaking.

using the scry, is immersion breaking

putting custom statuses in scry, is immersion breaking

people changing their armors and helms and weapon appearances, is immersion breaking

people magically appearing from the nexus, into their last save point, is immersion breaking.

Mudds auction warning, is immersion breaking....

Aspect of Sorrow wrote:

chad878262 wrote:I don't find it to be an issue as some things need to be done for ease of use. After all, I doubt most people playing the game want to spend their hours re-typing the list of 100 items available at their stall.

If only there was a tool for that.

i downloaded it.

im looking for a non-proportional font ascii convertor. If you know of one...

i guess AOL had one a long time ago.


but, it is easier to run a stall, and edit your item list while waiting for the odd customer, than typing out on notepad, and then entering the game.

NeOmega wrote:names above the head are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with histories are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with the default are immersion breaking.

people with lore checks and spot checks in their char bio, is immersion breaking

DM only merchants?

((ooc chat is immersion breaking

tells are immersion breaking

using the term "tiers" is gamey, and immersion breaking.

" sharindalar's round brown buttock" is immersion breaking

exchanging "50 bags of gold" is immersion breaking

people casting daze on the alchemy bench is immersion breaking

big blue transition points on the map, is immersion breaking

pressing z to see interactable items, is immersion breaking

seeing how many hit points of damage you did to an enemy, is immersion breaking.

names above monsters, that let you know what to expect, is immersion breaking.

using the scry, is immersion breaking

putting custom statuses in scry, is immersion breaking

people changing their armors and helms and weapon appearances, is immersion breaking

people magically appearing from the nexus, into their last save point, is immersion breaking.

Mudds auction warning, is immersion breaking....

Well your not wrong. Why is that only the OOC tags anyone cares about however? And the clearly OOC signs in game used by players to "Look at my PC for a list of items" Is ignored. I don't understand the outrage of the OOC tags. Yet the lack of Outrage over the above list. Or the Sign(prop) in question.

I find it very hypocritical and really baffling.

Why care so much about one and not everything else.

I feel people only care about the rules. And Nothing at all about RP but simply whatever they can get away with In game that does not break the rules. << And I have seen over 30 examples of this in game.

Thayvian wrote:

NeOmega wrote:names above the head are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with histories are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with the default are immersion breaking.

people with lore checks and spot checks in their char bio, is immersion breaking

DM only merchants?

((ooc chat is immersion breaking

tells are immersion breaking

using the term "tiers" is gamey, and immersion breaking.

" sharindalar's round brown buttock" is immersion breaking

exchanging "50 bags of gold" is immersion breaking

people casting daze on the alchemy bench is immersion breaking

big blue transition points on the map, is immersion breaking

pressing z to see interactable items, is immersion breaking

seeing how many hit points of damage you did to an enemy, is immersion breaking.

names above monsters, that let you know what to expect, is immersion breaking.

using the scry, is immersion breaking

putting custom statuses in scry, is immersion breaking

people changing their armors and helms and weapon appearances, is immersion breaking

people magically appearing from the nexus, into their last save point, is immersion breaking.

Mudds auction warning, is immersion breaking....

Well your not wrong. Why is that only the OOC tags anyone cares about however? And the clearly OOC signs in game used by players to "Look at my PC for a list of items" Is ignored. I don't understand the outrage of the OOC tags. Yet the lack of Outrage over the above list. Or the Sign in question.

I find it very hypocritical and really baffling.

Why care so much about one and not everything else.

I feel people only care about the rules. And Nothing at all about RP.

lack of outrage, hypocritical... you commemt on youtube a lot, don't you?

seriously... outrage? you feel... outrage!?

lol

Doesn't break immersion for me, I understand it gives a sake of ease moment. So to each their own I guess.

NeOmega wrote:

Thayvian wrote:

NeOmega wrote:names above the head are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with histories are immersion breaking.

char descriptions with the default are immersion breaking.

people with lore checks and spot checks in their char bio, is immersion breaking

DM only merchants?

((ooc chat is immersion breaking

tells are immersion breaking

using the term "tiers" is gamey, and immersion breaking.

" sharindalar's round brown buttock" is immersion breaking

exchanging "50 bags of gold" is immersion breaking

people casting daze on the alchemy bench is immersion breaking

big blue transition points on the map, is immersion breaking

pressing z to see interactable items, is immersion breaking

seeing how many hit points of damage you did to an enemy, is immersion breaking.

names above monsters, that let you know what to expect, is immersion breaking.

using the scry, is immersion breaking

putting custom statuses in scry, is immersion breaking

people changing their armors and helms and weapon appearances, is immersion breaking

people magically appearing from the nexus, into their last save point, is immersion breaking.

Mudds auction warning, is immersion breaking....

Well your not wrong. Why is that only the OOC tags anyone cares about however? And the clearly OOC signs in game used by players to "Look at my PC for a list of items" Is ignored. I don't understand the outrage of the OOC tags. Yet the lack of Outrage over the above list. Or the Sign in question.

I find it very hypocritical and really baffling.

Why care so much about one and not everything else.

I feel people only care about the rules. And Nothing at all about RP.

lack of outrage, hypocritical... you commemt on youtube a lot, don't you?

seriously... outrage? you feel... outrage!?

lol

???? this make no sense.. I was talking about other players outrage of OOC tags. Not my feels. Sorry but I'm confused by your posting you may have mis-read what I posted.