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Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:45 am
by CormyrElite
I wonder, why there is no Improved Critical feats for shields, while there are all types of Weapon Focuses & Specializations for them?
Also, it would be nice to see their enchantment bonus working as weapon enchantment bonus in purposes of shield bash.
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:19 pm
by CormyrElite
chambordini wrote:and the ones that advance the shield bash attack number are the ac ones, which seems contradictory, we'll see some other time.
Huh? Number of shield attacks advances automaticly (second attack on 11 BAB and third on 21) according to description of Shield Bash.
What must I do, if I would like to have that feat but do not want to RCR character because I can't take it atm? Can I take some useless feat like "Power Critical" on weapon and hope it to be replaced with Improved Critical for shield?
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 pm
by Hendrak
Hey, i updated the new wiki a while back with Shield Bash imformations. (Access via too of this forum)
I encountered that you need the Shield Weapon Specialization and therefore at least fighter 4 for the 3rd ShieldBash attack. My Paladin only has a maximum of two attacks because of that. I initially also confused the Shield Specialization feats,but made it clear in the wiki entry.
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 pm
by CormyrElite
Hendrak wrote:Hey, i updated the new wiki a while back with Shield Bash imformations. (Access via too of this forum)
I encountered that you need the Shield Weapon Specialization and therefore at least fighter 4 for the 3rd ShieldBash attack. My Paladin only has a maximum of two attacks because of that. I initially also confused the Shield Specialization feats,but made it clear in the wiki entry.
Noice. So I just wasted two feats for that trash single attack, since I am NOT a "foighter", and in game there is nothing about Weapon Specialization giving any bonus attacks, as well, as nothing like that is described in Shield Bash feat.
According to
SRD Shield considered as a one handed weapon, therefore it recieves bonus attacks normally, without needing any specialization feats, which actually should give raw damage only.
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 pm
by Hendrak
It used to be so as ShieldBash was implemented. You automatically got more attacks with higher BAB. apparently that was considered to powerful and reduced to the actial state where you need a lot of feats to get 2 or 3 attacks. Probably it was forgotten to update the ingame description of the feat.
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 pm
by CormyrElite
Hendrak wrote:It used to be so as ShieldBash was implemented. You automatically got more attacks with higher BAB. apparently that was considered to powerful and reduced to the actial state where you need a lot of feats to get 2 or 3 attacks. Probably it was forgotten to update the ingame description of the feat.
It has ruined my build totally, since no one ever warned me. I don't mind about getting feats, but do about only Fighter class being able to get them! What is so special in Fighter, that he is the only one who is able to swing his left hand three times per round?
Why Man-at-Arms with all of his shield stuff is not able to pick that?
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:00 pm
by Hendrak
I am sorry to hear that. The same happened to me with my Paladin build. Although its not ruined by it. But i calculated with the 3rd ShieldBash attack and was surprised to find out on lvl 23 that i couldnt pick the necessary Shield Weapon Spec.
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:26 pm
by Hendrak
One could argue that you get a 3rd ShieldBash attack with Greater TwoWeapon Fighting, a feat which hasnt fighter levels as prequisite.
Why if you go the other way and want Shield Weapon Spec. for the 3rd ShieldBash attack then you are forced to take a Fighter 4 dip at least?
Re: Improved Critical (Shield Type)
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:32 pm
by CormyrElite
Hendrak wrote:Why if you go the other way and want Shield Weapon Spec. for the 3rd ShieldBash attack then you are forced to take a Fighter 4 dip at least?
Man-at-Arms loses 2 Epic Feats, Challenge +6 and Shield Block +4 because of that.