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Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:29 am
by joleda
The bracer named Skin Crawler turns off my Tanarukk's War Drummer chants. The error "you do not have enough ranks in Perform to use this ability" pops up as soon as I equip the bracer. I'm assuming that the -2 CHA feature of this bracer knocks my Perform below 5, which was a prerequisite to begin the class. Is this check necessary since I have 5 levels of War Drummer?

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:40 am
by Valefort
Yep, invest in perform to drum :P

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:51 am
by joleda
The War Drummer chant works off of Perform and Intimidate. Shouldn't my 20 ranks of Intimidate keep the chant working?

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:10 am
by Valefort
I feel like a lawyer but there's a difference between activation and effects.

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:12 pm
by joleda
Lawyers use disclaimers and fancy words. This requirement is not stated?

How many other classes can have their class defining abilities stopped due to a potential debuff?

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:23 pm
by Theodore01
joleda wrote: I'm assuming that the -2 CHA feature of this bracer knocks my Perform below 5, which was a prerequisite to begin the class.
So if you are below 5 perform now, these bracers seem like they are not fitting your build.

I had my 'inspire courage' from a bard 3 dip often disabled from skill/stat draining debuff. Investing a few more points helps usually.

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:17 pm
by Valefort
joleda wrote:Lawyers use disclaimers and fancy words. This requirement is not stated?

How many other classes can have their class defining abilities stopped due to a potential debuff?
Swashbuckler (insightful strike doesn't work when encumbered), bards (perform, silence), wizards (spell failure), spellcasters in general (casting ability debuffed).

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:50 am
by joleda
Theodore01 wrote:
joleda wrote: I'm assuming that the -2 CHA feature of this bracer knocks my Perform below 5, which was a prerequisite to begin the class.
So if you are below 5 perform now, these bracers seem like they are not fitting your build.

I had my 'inspire courage' from a bard 3 dip often disabled from skill/stat draining debuff. Investing a few more points helps usually.
My point was that 5 ranks of Perform is required to take the first level of the War Drummer class. Why should it matter if a debuff takes me below 5 ranks of Perform when I've already met the class prerequisites? :roll:

Re: Skin Crawler turns off War Drummer

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:40 am
by Theodore01
Probably it was just an oversight, that the Battle Rhythm feat description is missing the perform 5 requirement.
However that is for the staff to decide.