Assassin Build

[Pubeyzbbq]

Hi folks. I'm new to the server and mostly been theorycrafting based on the custom classes, feats egg before digging in properly.

I've been thinking about an Assassin Build, thinking of Ranger 11 (10 In Hunter kit), assassin 9, Arcane Archer 10.

Build would allow me get lots of archer goodies plus Ranger fighting style would add on 2 weapon fighting. Could have One Shot, Perfect 2 Weapon Fighting and Expose Weakness in epic levels.

How does that sound?

[Rudolph]

I'd focus on archery. It is better defensively and packs a much bigger punch due to the fact that Death Attacks get doubled by Manyshot. No need to be ok at some but master of none with HiPS at one's disposal.

[Pubeyzbbq]

Just to add my feats and level progression
1 Ranger - weapon finesse
2 Ranger
3 Ranger - Point Blank Shot
4 Ranger
5 Ranger
6 Ranger - weapon focus longbow
7 Ranger
8 Ranger
9 Ranger - improved critical longbow
10 Ranger
11 Ranger
12 Assassin - improved rapid shot
13 Assassin
14 Arcane Archer
15 Arcane Archer - blind fight
16 Assassin
17 Arcane Archer
18 Assassin - unsure yet
19 Assassin
20 Assassin
21 Assassin - Perfect 2 Weapon fighting
22 Assassin
23 Arcane Archer - epic haste feat thing
24 Arcane Archer
25 Arcane Archer - Epic Prowess
26 Arcane Archer
27 Arcane Archer - expose weakness
28 Arcane Archer
29 Arcane Archer - One Shot
30 Arcane Archer

[Pubeyzbbq]

I'd focus on archery. It is better defensively and packs a much bigger punch due to the fact that Death Attacks get doubled by Manyshot. No need to be ok at some but master of none with HiPS at one's disposal.

Yes I was going to just focus as an archer Hunter but noticed I'd get the 2 Weapon Fighting anyway and think I have all the archer feats too.

[aaron22]

and one shot is not as good as you may think and even a +1 dex might be better overall in that spot.

[chad878262]

I'd focus on archery. It is better defensively and packs a much bigger punch due to the fact that Death Attacks get doubled by Manyshot. No need to be ok at some but master of none with HiPS at one's disposal.

Yes I was going to just focus as an archer Hunter but noticed I'd get the 2 Weapon Fighting anyway and think I have all the archer feats too.

Ranger 2 allows you to select a fighting style (TWF or Archery). Selecting Archery will give you Rapid Shot (2), Manyshot (6), and Improved Rapid Shot (11) for free while selecting TWF will give you TWF/ITWF/GTWF instead. There is no need to take both so you should select Archery and then use those extra 3 feats for other things.

[Pubeyzbbq]

and one shot is not as good as you may think and even a +1 dex might be better overall in that spot.

Ok cool. Are there any archer feats I've missed that are must have? Is class make up reasonable?

[Pubeyzbbq]

I'd focus on archery. It is better defensively and packs a much bigger punch due to the fact that Death Attacks get doubled by Manyshot. No need to be ok at some but master of none with HiPS at one's disposal.

Yes I was going to just focus as an archer Hunter but noticed I'd get the 2 Weapon Fighting anyway and think I have all the archer feats too.

Ranger 2 allows you to select a fighting style (TWF or Archery). Selecting Archery will give you Rapid Shot (2), Manyshot (6), and Improved Rapid Shot (11) for free while selecting TWF will give you TWF/ITWF/GTWF instead. There is no need to take both so you should select Archery and then use those extra 3 feats for other things.

Hunter kit gives rapid shot and many shot on top of Ranger fighting style so I'm only using 1 feat to get improved rapid shot.

[aaron22]

EW has been changed within the year so while im not 100% sure. i am pretty sure EW is wasted if you are staying ranged.

you will defiantly want to push your AB as high as possible. archery has negs to AB in it on the server. while compensated by hiding, you would not want to be that dependent on one feat all the time for everything.

like your blinding speed, but i would just pump up dex to the heavens.

[Pubeyzbbq]

EW has been changed within the year so while im not 100% sure. i am pretty sure EW is wasted if you are staying ranged.

you will defiantly want to push your AB as high as possible. archery has negs to AB in it on the server. while compensated by hiding, you would not want to be that dependent on one feat all the time for everything.

like your blinding speed, but i would just pump up dex to the heavens.

Cool thanks. I wasn't fussed with EW but couldn't think of anything else to take except great dexterity which seemed boring.

[Calodan]

EW has been changed within the year so while im not 100% sure. i am pretty sure EW is wasted if you are staying ranged.

you will defiantly want to push your AB as high as possible. archery has negs to AB in it on the server. while compensated by hiding, you would not want to be that dependent on one feat all the time for everything.

like your blinding speed, but i would just pump up dex to the heavens.

Cool thanks. I wasn't fussed with EW but couldn't think of anything else to take except great dexterity which seemed boring.

For clarity Expose Weakness has always been a melee feat. It never applied to ranged weaponry. However since going Assassin and has Many shot Assassin has a bugged application of the DA to the opening flurry which is also muy bueno.

[Pubeyzbbq]

EW has been changed within the year so while im not 100% sure. i am pretty sure EW is wasted if you are staying ranged.

you will defiantly want to push your AB as high as possible. archery has negs to AB in it on the server. while compensated by hiding, you would not want to be that dependent on one feat all the time for everything.

like your blinding speed, but i would just pump up dex to the heavens.

Cool thanks. I wasn't fussed with EW but couldn't think of anything else to take except great dexterity which seemed boring.

For clarity Expose Weakness has always been a melee feat. It never applied to ranged weaponry. However since going Assassin and has Many shot (hiney). has a bugged application of the DA to the opening flurry which is also muy bueno.

Yeah I had only added it cause I was getting the 2 Weapon feats for very little so thought EW would help that part and couldn't see any other feats I was obviously lacking.

[aaron22]

i knew EW was before fix but had no proof to allow myself to announce it was still only melee since the fix. i was pretty sure it wasnt.

the reasons i would pump dex is two fold. AB and AC. your will saves will be not so good, but you will need UMD to help with that. you will have a pretty low AC and you will want all your attacks to hit. even the ones where you are not coming out of hide. higher dex can help with that.

i personally prefer using HIPS defensively instead of "needing" it offensively. just me though.

[Deathgrowl]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?175218

Here's what you want to look at.

[Pubeyzbbq]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?175218

Here's what you want to look at.

Nice one thanks. Few queries though.
The build will only have access to level 2 Ranger spells and assassin spells. Would it be better to go all in on one set of spells? If I use Hunter kit I'll lose access to ranger spells, is that worth it or are Ranger level 1 and 2 good compared to assassin 3 and 4? Also on spell casting, is practiced spellcaster worth it when it would only bring caster level to 17? Would the spells not be low DC and easily dispelled?
Is camouflage better than getting an additional 1d6 death attack then?
Is the fighter feats for longbow better than the additional feats and enhancements from arcane archer?