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How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrolls?
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:12 pm
by Steve
I find this hard to test because I do not have an above 20 CL caster in my Vault.
We already know the AI cheats and reads your PC's CL and determines whether to have a mob caste Dispel or not, but does the AI factor in the CL of spells that come off of Scrolls...or even potions?
For example, say a CL 30 mage was buffed with innate spells (CL 30), but also using a CL 20 scroll for a particular buff or transmutation.
Do you think/have experienced the AI calculating on the CL of the PC, or buff-by-buff CL?
One way to determine this or have come to an answer would be if low CL Toons were buffed by a high CL caster, then the low CL went up against a high-CL mob with Dispels in their mob spellbook.
I've experienced getting royally dispelled using UMD on a non-caster plenty of times, so this leads me to believe the AI checks the buff(s) CL...but maybe what it really checks is: are there buffs? --> if yes, checks CL of PC --> if lower than mob-caster (zero CL counts!) --> then cast highest Dispel available.
The consequence, if the latter is true, is not only can a caster with high CL NOT get low CL spell effects dispelled, but can make good use of low CL spells with long duration and not worry about losing them (freeing up space in the spellbook).
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:22 pm
by aaron22
if you have 10 CL 30 buffs on your character but then 1 that is CL 13 they will cast dispell to strip the one.
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:28 pm
by Tsidkenu
Yup! As per Aaron my cleric has very high CL and the AI will always cast dispel to get rid of potion of Heroism
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:02 pm
by Steve
The A.I. is truly wicked.
Long live the A.I. !!!
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:58 pm
by Tekill
#The singularity is nigh.
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:06 pm
by chad878262
Which brings the popular trick of drinking a cheap potion to draw the bosses mords followed by ethereal and "real buffing"...
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:14 pm
by Steve
chad878262 wrote:Which brings the popular DIRTY trick of drinking a cheap potion to draw the bosses mords followed by ethereal and "real buffing"...
Fixed it!
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 pm
by chad878262
Steve wrote:chad878262 wrote:Which brings the popular DIRTY trick of drinking a cheap potion to draw the bosses mords followed by ethereal and "real buffing"...
Fixed it!
No arguments with your fix.
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 pm
by Steve
Sounds like Bosses need a re-rescripting job where
Dimensional Anchor is cast first, THEN Mord's!
Anyway...
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:29 pm
by aaron22
i havent had a boss mords my cheap buffs.. they just use a dispell.. i actually dont get that many mords hits
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:53 pm
by Steve
chambordini wrote:Steve wrote:Sounds like Bosses need a re-rescripting job where
Dimensional Anchor is cast first, THEN Mord's!
Anyway...
I like that idea.
Well...at least randomly...or, more random casting choices overall!
You know...I remember reading not-so-long-ago how Dedude was giving AI a bit of a Learning intelligence, so that "they" got wise to Player tricks and started to "get creative" in terms of offense/defense. Man...what music to my eyes reading that was!
Dedude...you out there buddy?!?
But Dimensional Anchor does fail against spell resistance, and with Clerics/Druids/SS able to get 42 SR easily these days with Hierophant, the actual casting, If/Then selection should go like:
If has SR, then cast Assay Resistance.
If has X, then cast Dimensional Anchor
If has buffs, then cast Greater Dispel / Mord's
etc., etc., etc.
Kinda harsh to be rooting for the AI here, but...being artificial and all, it needs some help. Cheating or no cheating!
Wait...can the A.I. of get banned for cheating on BGTSCC?!? WAITAFRICKIN'MINUTE! This is favoritism, I tell ya!
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:59 pm
by Rhaegar
will this make it harder for caster/buffing/warding/low CL caster type to go against the AI?
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:42 am
by ZestyDragon
Rhaegar wrote:will this make it harder for caster/buffing/warding/low CL caster type to go against the AI?
No this will result in the AI taking over the server!. They will be the ones to sit around campfire talking, while we are forced to hide in caves hording what little remains of our treasure. The only saving grace is as we are farmed by the AI, we shall use our dying breath to leave nothing but a spoon or mug for them to claim. A convoluted revenge scheme for all the years they did it to us.
Re: How much does the AI cheat on CL between innate or Scrol
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:28 am
by Invoker
Character that do not buff and can solo everything on the server but the White Dragon (which is mathematically unsoloable, unless it glitches) won't care.
High CL characters that are basically only vulnerable to breaches (which only strip 6 wards on a Mord, so no big deal) won't care.
Characters with low CL and insufficient combat capabilities without their low CL buffs up will cast Gaseous Form instead of Ethereal Jaunt, or Dimension Door towards transition, then buff & back to finish the job.
I don't see the AI forcing my characters to run away or hide anywhere. Ever.
They'd never, ever have my spoon or mug.