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 Post subject: Furious Charger Background
Unread postPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:53 pm 
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with this feat you are supposed to get +4 ab instead of +2 when you charge

but... I checked and I only get +2 all time

I even tried without items to boost my wisdom to keep my flat 13 and nothing changed

I tried to relog twice nothing changed

I tried to do it with different weapon or feat activated or desactivated (Northlander Hewing and power attack) and no matter if they are activated or not... nothing changed

so... my guess is the +2 on top of the +2 of charge to total +4 is not applied at all in the maths
so it is bugged

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I'm not sure what you do but i made a lvl 1 character with furious charger and i got the +4.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:59 pm 
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Well on my side it was going from 19ab to 21
Wich makes +2
Will try to strip out all my items and see if it is because of one of them...
Will be back with more test soon

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 Post subject: Re: Furious Charger Background
Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:20 pm 
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ok got it exactly

when I use Heroism (potion or scroll or spell)

furious charger only boost a +2 instead of +4

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Furious ChargerEdit
Type of Feat: Background
Prerequisite: Strength 12+, Wisdom 16 or less
Use: Automatic.

Your people are known for their love of battle, and they rarely waste time in meeting a foe blade-to-blade. You know how to make the most of a charge." (This background feat implies you are from savage descent such as the Uthgardt Tribesfolk or Orc race for example)

You gain a +4 bonus on the attack roll you make at the end of a charge instead of the normal +2 bonus

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as you can see nothing says it gives the bonus as a moral boost, it only says it gives +4 ab instead of +2 of the normal charge


and about the general feat

ChargeEdit
Type of Feat: General
Prerequisite: None
Use: Selected

Charging is a special full-round action that allows you to move up to twice your speed and attack during the action. However, it carries tight restrictions on how you can move. After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of the next round. During your charge you are very vulnerable to weapons with piercing damage such as spears but also ranged projectiles. Regardless of your normal base attack bonus you can only make one attack at the end of your charge.

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here again... it says it gives the boost to AB.. nothing about moral boost so they should stack


here is heroism

This spell imbues a single creature with great bravery and morale in battle.The target gains a +2 morale bonus on attack rolls, saves, and skill checks.

no longer stack with Greater Heroism when cast on other characters.
the spell effect is not applied immediately, there is a small delay which can lead to all kinds of unexpected problems. To remove, set the Proj column value to 0 in spells.2da for both Heroism and Greater Heroism spells.
A scribed scroll of Heroism costs 300GP to make, at CL 4.

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this one does say it adds a MORAL boost to ab wich is treated as separately form standard ab boost


my analysis is ... they should stack together... according to the description they provide at the moment. if they were not meant to stack then a special note should be added.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:44 am 
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No again, I tried with greater heroism and charge with furious charger and they add up correctly. Is it possible that you're reaching the +20 AB cap ?

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He said he used Herosim, not Gtr. Heroism. Could be different results, Vale. Possibly?

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Not really but I can try.

Tested : no, it works too.

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Very odd. I doubt he is reaching the +20 AB cap since he mentioned his starting attack bonus is 19...

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:43 pm 
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Ok.... Now that's bizarre...

Let me check each stats and see if it comes from something more specific...

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:17 pm 
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ok here is the stats
Shinobi (ninja) from kozakura using Naginata (halberd weapon)
with weapon profency Halberd
yet for the test I was doing it with no weapon to see if it came from an Item...

Phantom 12 / wisard 4 / shadowdancer 3
I stripped off completely leaving only naked stats... not a single part of gears
and no skill or feats activated

ab 16
when furious charge get activated I get the +4 again...
Going to 20 ab... yay normal stats and working... same as before tho lol

BUT !!!

Using a scroll of Heroism (bought from candlekeep) I get to ab 18
When furious charge get activated I get only + 2
going to 20 ab as well

nothing changed from when I called this ticket at first :)

so... seems there is nothing I do wrong now hehe

but the bug exist still

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:00 pm 
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Not charging

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Charging

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I'm even using the same class split, where is your bug ? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Furious Charger Background
Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:00 pm 
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Well from 18 to 20 it is a +2
Not +4
:)

You should be at 22, not 20

Reme. Ber it is furious charge, +4
Notnormal charge +2

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Look the combat log :O

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:08 pm 
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... So the pc cheat is broken but the math applies in combat log... .... Ho... Well
Damn player sheet always having trouble... I will remind not to look there for stats... And to look in combat log instead...

(your player sheet at right is displaying +2 BTW) :)


TX again... And sorry bout it then... Will look if combat log stack it on my side tonight

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