Requests for Warlock build

[rukkerz]

I am looking to expand my builds a bit to something I havent tried.

Thinking about doing a Fey Warlock 30 with the 5 fey Feats, Epic DR 3 and max con
Or Warlock 27 3 or 4? Cleric following Umberlee, Chaos and Water
or Warlock 24 3 Cleric, 3 Black guard same diety same domains

Am I splitting this up too much? Should I concentrate on one thing? I wan't a beefy Blaster with high saves, high surviveability and decent Damage.

I've read through numerous guides. I guess I kinda want everything all the warlock builds mashed up together!

A high AC, high saves, DC Warlock Caster with high DR and a lot of Blast Dice. But that seems like too much!

[Steve]

With Umberlee, have you considered Warlock 14 / Stormsinger 10 / Cleric 3 / Blackguard 3?

[chad878262]

From my past discussions with TeoDeathDealer who I would consider to be the authority on Warlocks I have understood the best build for a blaster warlock to be a CON-Lock with a level split of either Wlk27/DS3 or Wlk27/BG3. Either build would want to leave DEX at ~14 or 16 and max CON score. BG3 might be better as a CHA lock than a CON lock, but even going CON w/ some DEX you should be able to afford at least ~13 CHA, 16 with an item for +3 to all saves. Personally I think DragonSlayer offers more for a blaster... Free Spell Penetration, only loses one level of Blast progression, thus you still reach 29 for max blast dice, opens tumble as a class skill and grants medium armor proficiency so if you so chose you could go 12 DEX (16 w/ item) and wear Mithral Full Plate as well as use Tower Shields. Personally I would go 14 DEX and Mithral Chainmail even though you don't have evasion (saves a feat on battle caster). In addition, you could (depending on race) Go Wlk23/DS3/Rogue 4 to gain evasion and uncanny dodge at the cost of needing Practiced Invoker. In either case going CON-Lock you will have so many HP that Evasion isn't really all that necessary and you do have UMD so with the appropriate wands your saves are not nearly as important.

[rukkerz]

Do the penalties from tower shield and ice not affect rta’s from Eldritch Blast?

[chad878262]

Do the penalties from tower shield and ice not affect rta’s from Eldritch Blast?

ICE definitely not. Tower Shield I am not certain... Also honestly forget if Tower Shield causes blast spell failure so that may not be so beneficial. However, even without Tower Shield it's still nice to hit 29 CL without practiced caster while gaining more HP and opening tumble.

[Deathgrowl]

With Umberlee, have you considered Warlock 14 / Stormsinger 10 / Cleric 3 / Blackguard 3?

Bard instead of cleric there. Can't go Stormsinger without bardsong.

On tower shields (and all other shields), they have arcane spell failure. This is why warlocks who wear shields, usually decide to stick to light shields for the +4 AC enchantment bonus, as the 5% fail chance is considered acceptable.

They have armoured casting and access to the battlecaster feat, but this only applies to actual light and medium armour, so not shields. Same way with bards here, in other words.

[Steve]

Damn, forgot about Bard req. But depending on whether you want Evasion, drop Cleric or Blackguard.

[rukkerz]

Cleric of umberlee sounded pretty cool mix in for slippery mind and evasion mixed with good saves from dark blessing and blackguard.

[Steve]

Here's the problem though: normal Eldritch Blast is stopped by Spell Resistance. So with a CL of 28 from Warlock 24 / Cleric 3 / BG 3, you'll run up against plenty foes with SR 28 or higher.

Now assuming you'd take Vitriolic Blast on a blaster or even a Hideous Blow-type Warlock to bypass SR, then you only have to worry about Acid Immunity to nullify your DMG...which is a TOTAL NULLIFICATION, if the foe has it.

Just as an aside: Warlock 20 / Warrior of Darkness 10 Dragonslayer 10 will give you lots of what you want, a path to Epic Spell Penetration (CL 36 !!!), good AC and CL 30 so your own PC isn't easily dispelled of wards and such. You could even split your attacks between ranged Eldritch Blasts and Hideous Blow melee combat, which in my opinion, is way more fun than just blast, blast blast blast blast Blast BLAST blast blast blast blast blast blast until you get bored and log off.

[chad878262]

Here's the problem though: normal Eldritch Blast is stopped by Spell Resistance. So with a CL of 28 from Warlock 24 / Cleric 3 / BG 3, you'll run up against plenty foes with SR 28 or higher.

Now assuming you'd take Vitriolic Blast on a blaster or even a Hideous Blow-type Warlock to bypass SR, then you only have to worry about Acid Immunity to nullify your DMG...which is a TOTAL NULLIFICATION, if the foe has it.

Just as an aside: Warlock 20 / Warrior of Darkness 10 will give you lots of what you want, a path to Epic Spell Penetration (CL 36 !!!), good AC and CL 30 so your own PC isn't easily dispelled of wards and such. You could even split your attacks between ranged Eldritch Blasts and Hideous Blow melee combat, which in my opinion, is way more fun than just blast, blast blast blast blast Blast BLAST blast blast blast blast blast blast until you get bored and log off.

Warrior of Darkness has no spell (or invocation) progression. Were you thinking of Dragonslayer? That's 6/10 invocation progression, and grants spell penetration.

[Deathgrowl]

Dear, oh dear. Time to clear up some unfortunate misinformation...

Here's the problem though: normal Eldritch Blast is stopped by Spell Resistance. So with a CL of 28 from Warlock 24 / Cleric 3 / BG 3, you'll run up against plenty foes with SR 28 or higher.

28 SR is irrelevant for someone with 28 CL. Think of SR as spell AC and CL as spell AB. You use CL + d20 vs SR. There really aren't a lot of mobs with SR above 30 on the server. Some drow, maybe a few of the yuan'ti. And a boss or two. But being a warlock, you can just cast again. Nothing has 48+ SR, as far as I have seen.

Now assuming you'd take Vitriolic Blast on a blaster or even a Hideous Blow-type Warlock to bypass SR, then you only have to worry about Acid Immunity to nullify your DMG...which is a TOTAL NULLIFICATION, if the foe has it.

Acid immunity is even rarer than SR, and then you could just switch over to normal magic damage instead, if you run into one of those. You won't find any mobs with acid immunity and unbeatable SR at the same time. Maybe the green dragon boss has annoying SR? But you can't really expect to be super functional against everything on the server.

Just as an aside: Warlock 20 / Warrior of Darkness 10 will give you lots of what you want, a path to Epic Spell Penetration (CL 36 !!!), good AC and CL 30 so your own PC isn't easily dispelled of wards and such. You could even split your attacks between ranged Eldritch Blasts and Hideous Blow melee combat, which in my opinion, is way more fun than just blast, blast blast blast blast Blast BLAST blast blast blast blast blast blast until you get bored and log off.

Warrior of darkness has 0 levels of spell progression. This will have 24 CL and with epic penetration, 30 in the way of overcoming spell resistance.

[Steve]

I need to finish my coffee before I type.

I meant to type Warlock 20 / Dragonslayer 10.

I was thinking about SR in regard to PvP. A 32 CL caster can get SR 44 with the Spell Resistance spell. Drow/Svirfs get 40 SR naturally.

If you are a Warlock with 28 CL, you'd need to roll at 12+ or 16+ to beat the SR, depending. You get 1 blast per round. If you fail that first round, or even the second...your ass is grass, man.

But if we're talking about mobs and (Epic) Bosses only, then you can easily gimp a Warlock and still do remarkably well. Because mobs are designed to be overcome!!!

Oh...and Azuth's Shield does grant SR 50!!!

[Deathgrowl]

If you're thinking PvP, you also have access and even bonus to UMD as a warlock. Getting Greater Breach scrolls is easy (High Hedge, for instance) to remove spell resistance buffs and even lower static SR.

SR won't be an issue if you know what you're doing.

[Steve]

Fair enough. But if I was playing a blaster Warlock, I would go for Epic Spell Penetration and CL 30, for that 36 CL + d20 against SR. Because I'm not keen on failing when it matters, and neither would my warlock!!

And wasting a round casting an offensive scroll sucks.

[wurdpass]

Thinking about doing a Fey Warlock 30 with the 5 fey Feats, Epic DR 3 and max con

Hey, youve stumbled into some sort of argument that I certainly cant add to.

However I do want to tell you that Epic Dr and Fey DR wont stack. For this reason I think taking epic fast healing and epic fiendish resilience is stronger for what you are talking about.