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Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Sanguini » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:35 pm

Would it be possible to make an item like the Lodestone/Whetstone for ranged weapons or arrows? Maybe like...a Jar of Special Wax for bowstrings, Or some sort of oil for a stack of arrows to make them Keen?

I'm getting Improved Critical eventually, but it'd still be nice.

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Tsidkenu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:42 pm

I don't think ranged weapons can receive any of these properties mechanically unless the spells are changed (or a new spell developed) to work with ranged weaponry. I'm not even certain you can make a 'keen' ranged weapon in the toolset.
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Mallore » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:00 pm

I believe you can make Keen ammunition in the tookset. Such as Keen arrows and Keen Bolts.

This would also be more in like with 3.0-3.5 rule set which to my recall and not quoting.... such things can not be put on the weapon usually and only on the ammunition. Further that is why by technical rules no bow is +1 enchanted. It is +1 attack. And it is the arrow that is +1 enchanted.

Further means a bow it self for the most part can not get though dr requiring such states.. ((unless your using it as a club)) and it’s only the ammunition in most cases that does negate the dr. This is to affirm a boy does not simply being a state imbune that state upon the ammunition and vice versa.

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Endelyon » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:38 am

The engine won't respect keen as an item property on anything ranged.

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Unread post by DM Ghost » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:02 pm

There are items that grant permanent improved critical feat for some ranged weapons.
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by sir_blacksoutalot » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:36 pm

There are items that grant permanent improved critical feat for some ranged weapons.
That's mightily nebulous... :roll:

Care to elaborate on a couple/few examples? Inquiring minds would like to know!
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by izzul » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:35 pm

sir_blacksoutalot wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:36 pm
There are items that grant permanent improved critical feat for some ranged weapons.
That's mightily nebulous... :roll:

Care to elaborate on a couple/few examples? Inquiring minds would like to know!
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Wolfrayne » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:18 am

Power Critical is just +4 to confirm the hit is a critical hit which is basicly a +4 to attack on the second roll its not increasing the threat range. If i remember correctly its

Roll attack - Crit - Confirm Roll (This has to beat the AC) - AC beat = Critical/ AC miss = Normal hit.

Technically you should be able to put Keen/Impact on Ammo

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by DM Ghost » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:54 am

It's possible that you might be able to make ammunition in the toolset with the feat. I don't know - never tried. You'd be locked to using that ammunition, though and when it runs out, the feat is gone. It'd also be ridiculously expensive, I think. Static feats tend to ramp up the price of items.
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Sanguini » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:22 pm

Well, like I said, how about some sort of "Arrow Oil" with 50 charges for a stack of arrows? The Whetstone and Lodestone last about 45 minutes, 500 arrows lasts about 30 minutes with continuous firing so it could work just fine.

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by sir_blacksoutalot » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:08 am

Well, like I said, how about some sort of "Arrow Oil" with 50 charges for a stack of arrows? The Whetstone and Lodestone last about 45 minutes, 500 arrows lasts about 30 minutes with continuous firing so it could work just fine.
Dev team, any chance this might actually work? Would love to something like keen implemented for bows... it at all possible. Could it use a mechanic similar to applying poison?
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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Wyatt » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:48 am

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by chambordini » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:02 am

Considering the whetstones's end result was that no one ever takes improved crit for melee weapons, I'm not sure I'm keen on this... no pun intended.

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Endelyon » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:06 am

Endelyon wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:38 am
The engine won't respect keen as an item property on anything ranged.
I don't know what the suggestion is outside of adding a keen property on bows, which as I mentioned previously simply can't be done. The engine doesn't allow it to work even if you force the property on the item.

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Re: Keen for Bows?

Unread post by Endelyon » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:08 am

I'm an idiot. DM Ghost made me aware of a way to do this by putting Imp Critical on the item instead of Keen.

However, I don't think adding it to an item is a great idea, as I similarly dislike the whetstones and the lodestones and would actually like to see them removed since they essentially amount to "a free feat for everyone" and the properties from them can't be dispelled.

What I would suggest, instead, is perhaps a character researching a spell that temporarily adds an "Improved Critical" feat to a ranged weapon. We haven't had many characters research buffing spells, and I think this would be an interesting spell research to see!

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