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Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:39 pm
by Steve
Today I put on my PC a ring with Improved Saving Throws: Reflex +2 and another ring with Improved Saving Throws: Universal +2, and the Reflex Saves only increased by +2, where I'm assuming it should be by +4.

However...if I use, in combination, the ring with Improved Saving Throws: Reflex +2 with a Belt of Agility (granting Improved Saving Throws: Reflex +2), I see a +4 Reflex save bump.

So, it seems that Rings will not stack Saving Throws, even if they are NOT the same exact Type? Maybe I remember reading something on the Forum recently about this...a little the same, a little different? Help!

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:09 pm
by Theodore01
It's normal. As your ring universal saving throws +2 already give you that +2 to reflex.
I've you had a ring with +2 saves and +3 reflex , you would get one additional reflex.

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:02 pm
by Tsidkenu
Rings do not stack saving throws. It only applies the highest value from each one. All other items stack.

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:21 am
by Lockonnow
Tsidkenu it is only rings that do not stack or is it with other item as well?

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:46 am
by Tsidkenu
Only rings do not stack saving throw bonuses.

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:38 am
by Steve
This game. :roll:

Is there some basis behind it, or just how it was coded in vanilla NWN2?

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 am
by Endelyon
Yep, it's just an engine thing. It's not something we're intentionally limiting for BG, for some reason in NWN2 the properties on two rings won't stack together, it will instead opt to give you only the result of the higher.

As far as whether or not there was any logic behind it, I'd speculate none at all and it's just one of the many oversights by Obsidian.

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 am
by Steve
Ha! Figures.

On another, slightly related note: does anybody else wish that we could have rings on all fingers??! RING BLING HOMIES!!

Damn those D&D core Rules....

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:12 am
by Theodore01
Steve wrote: Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 amOn another, slightly related note: does anybody else wish that we could have rings on all fingers??! RING BLING HOMIES!!
.....and thru the nose :clap:

Re: Imp. Saving Throws not stacking with Universal Saves Bonus?

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:39 am
by Steve
I can tell where this conversation is headed.... :shock:

Hi Forum Mods!!! :twisted:

Anyway...is there any interest Dev/Admin/QC-side to enable Rings with Saves to stack?