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Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Akroma666 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:12 pm

Was curious if anyone knew of an evil paladin core class similar to 5e's paladin system? Has it been implemented in any other nwn2 servers? Is it worth even playing to 30?

For example an oath of conquest paladin in 5e is a paladin revolving around the fear mechanic. Naturally a good God for this is Bane creating quite the fun lawful evil fear knight.

Just wondering if there were some good alternatives out there?
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Bobthehero » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:23 pm

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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Akroma666 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:33 pm

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At 3rd level, the powers of darkness make an antipaladin a beacon of corruption and disease. An antipaladin does not take any damage or take any penalty from diseases. He can still contract diseases and spread them to others, but he is otherwise immune to their effects.
Well that seems fun in it of its own.. has this class been built for the nwn2 module that you know of?
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Unread post by Bobthehero » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:36 pm

Nope, just the closest I could think of in PnP, I also really like the way PF handled smite.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Deathgrowl » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:59 pm

The 3.5 core supplement source book Unearthed Arcana has paladins of Slaughter, Tyranny and Freedom variants (CE, LE and CG respectively). These do not exist in Forgotten Realms, however.

EDIT:

Just for fun, here's the different codes of conduct and rules on associates:
Paladin of Freedom wrote:Code of Conduct: A paladin of freedom must be of chaotic
good alignment and loses all class abilities if he ever willingly
commits an evil act. Additionally, a paladin of freedom’s code
requires that he respect individual liberty, help those in need
(provided they do not use the help for lawful or evil ends), and
punish those who threaten or curtail personal liberty.
Associates: While he may adventure with characters of any
good or neutral alignment, a paladin of freedom will never
knowingly associate with evil characters (except on some sort
of undercover mission), nor will he continue an association with
someone who consistently offends his moral code. A paladin of
freedom may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who
are chaotic good.
Paladin of Slaughter wrote:Code of Conduct: A paladin of slaughter must be of chaotic
evil alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly
commits a good act. Additionally, a paladin of slaughter’s code
requires that she disrespect all authority fi gures who have not
proven their physical superiority to her, refuse help to those in
need, and sow destruction and death at all opportunities.
Associates: While she may adventure with characters of
any evil or neutral alignment, a paladin of slaughter will never
knowingly associate with good characters, nor will she continue
an association with someone who consistently offends her moral
code. A paladin of tyranny may accept only henchmen, followers,
and cohorts who are chaotic evil.
Paladin of Tyranny wrote:Code of Conduct: A paladin of tyranny must be of lawful evil
alignment and loses all class abilities if he ever willingly commits
a good act. Additionally, a paladin of tyranny’s code requires that
he respect authority fi gures as long as they have the strength to
rule over the weak, act with discipline (not engaging in random
slaughter, keeping fi rm control over those beneath his station, and
so forth), help only those who help him maintain or improve his
status, and punish those who challenge authority (unless, of course,
such challengers prove more worthy to hold that authority).
Associates: While he may adventure with characters of any
evil or neutral alignment, a paladin of tyranny will never knowingly
associate with good characters unless it serves his needs,
nor will he continue an association with someone who consistently
offends his moral code. A paladin of tyranny may accept
henchmen and followers of any alignment, but may only accept
cohorts who are lawful evil.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Maecius » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:00 pm

All I can think of is the antipaladin, the paladin of slaughter (Unearthed Arcana I think), and, of course, the blackguard. I've played with a few dark knight concepts for BG:TSCC (fighter/blackguard/warrior of darkness/weapon master, etc.) that I thought would be fun to play. :D But I don't get much play time.

Man-at-arms might work, too, if you want to go for the Lawful Evil "dark knight" (or historical "robber baron/robber knight") type character.

Edit: Deathgrowl's paladin of tyranny I had forgotten about!

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Unread post by Bobthehero » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:08 pm

MaA/Blackguard go hand in hand, even moreso than the paladin, imo.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Wyatt » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:23 pm

Wasn’t there a death knight base class proposed at one point? Perhaps some staffer would be willing to look at that project again if a well thought out constructive proposal was submitted.

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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Akroma666 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:48 pm

I think the primes is 1-4 spell levels, with smite, and all the other paladin goodies.. like the immunity to disease, the aura, the charisma to saves bonus, etc.. there's just so many great paladin class abilities and it would be nice to see them bleed over into a genuine evil core class rather than a blackguard PRC which is severely lacking compared to core paladin.

Would it be possible to remove blackguard as a PRC maybe and do a core class? Or does that not follow 3.5? Its been so long since I opened my 3.5 books.. been on 5e since its release.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Mallore » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:08 pm

Just to throw a bone out there..


The reason for charisma to saves. Immunity to disease and so forth is because of the goodly godly nature of the paladin. Her purity of soul that can not be touch making her immune to disease. The grace of a god making her more liked by the common folk


Evil gods be evil and think serve me if you want power and not to worried about purity and weather or not your grace inspires the common folk. They are evil!!!!

As such - I did like concepts like anti-paladin and the anti-ranger from 2e. Though once again I would much rather see paladin abilities stay only to goodly paladins as it’s unique flavor and I really don’t see how rp wise it can’t stretch. I do see value in a new core class that grants some casting at early levels. Or blackguard like things... who knows. Creative the game can be.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Akroma666 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:13 pm

Here's your RP to saves, Blackguard already get it:
https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Blessing
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Just to throw a bone out there..


The reason for charisma to saves. Immunity to disease and so forth is because of the goodly godly nature of the paladin. Her purity of soul that can not be touch making her immune to disease. The grace of a god making her more liked by the common folk


Evil gods be evil and think serve me if you want power and not to worried about purity and weather or not your grace inspires the common folk. They are evil!!!!

As such - I did like concepts like anti-paladin and the anti-ranger from 2e. Though once again I would much rather see paladin abilities stay only to goodly paladins as it’s unique flavor and I really don’t see how rp wise it can’t stretch. I do see value in a new core class that grants some casting at early levels. Or blackguard like things... who knows. Creative the game can be.
Storm - The Blade Flurry
Druegar Grizzleclaw - The Mountain Ruin Tsar
Akroma Thuul - The Creepy Enchanter
Liliana Duskblade - The B*tch of Bane
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by Mallore » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Don’t mean I like it ;)

Akroma666 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:13 pm
Here's your RP to saves, Blackguard already get it:
https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Blessing
Mallore wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:08 pm
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Just to throw a bone out there..


The reason for charisma to saves. Immunity to disease and so forth is because of the goodly godly nature of the paladin. Her purity of soul that can not be touch making her immune to disease. The grace of a god making her more liked by the common folk


Evil gods be evil and think serve me if you want power and not to worried about purity and weather or not your grace inspires the common folk. They are evil!!!!

As such - I did like concepts like anti-paladin and the anti-ranger from 2e. Though once again I would much rather see paladin abilities stay only to goodly paladins as it’s unique flavor and I really don’t see how rp wise it can’t stretch. I do see value in a new core class that grants some casting at early levels. Or blackguard like things... who knows. Creative the game can be.
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Unread post by Steve » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:41 pm

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Unread post by Bobthehero » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:49 pm

Yeah, if the changes proposed by Endelyon really go live, I am totally rcring Bob to be 20/10.
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Re: Evil Paladin core class?

Unread post by predrag » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:40 pm

I know of one NWN2 server where I used to play that had paladins which could be either good or evil .
I believe they had smite infidel instead of smite good there , though I played one only a little so don't remember the details .
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