Dusty Tome Query

[Wyatt]

So, I believe I have found a dusty tome with the name of a demon inside it and am having some difficulties trying to make the whole thing work. I have followed the instructions on the wiki as best as I can and asked some questions of the DM's. They recommended that I post here and see if anyone had any ideas. Here is basically what I have done and the results:

1. Cast planar ally, greater on diamond
2. Dialogue to add a name to the diamond pops up
3. Name added to diamond, accept clicked, dialogue to add name pops back up immediately. Closed dialogue box.
4. Moved diamond in inventory, diamond name changes to the name contained in the dusty tome.
5. Cast planar ally, greater on named diamond. Naming dialogue box pops up again asking to enter a name.
6. repeat ad nauseum. No option to negotiate with the being ever appeared.

So I tried all these steps again with a canary diamond. Does the fact that the negotiation dialogue/menu/whatever never appears mean I am doing something wrong mechanically? Am I too low level (20?) Am I using the wrong spell? Am I using the wrong gem? Is here any way to tell any of this information in game?

Any information that anyone can help provide would be much appreciated.

[Steve]

"...and the alignment distance between being and caster will influence it as well (may even make negotiation impossible)."

Did you take this into account?

You may also need a Blue Diamond!

Diamond: lesser beings up to 15 HD
Canary Diamond: beings up to 20 HD
Blue Diamond: higher beings with no known limits

And there are also these:

The called being must be available, i.e., not be called by someone else and not be recovering from a death. If not available you will be notified that your call isn't being answered.
Each being has a minimum required calling spell level. If you use a spell that is too weak the being is able to resist your call entirely.
Each being has a minimum required caster level. If your caster level is too weak the being is able to resist your call entirely.
The gem used as focus must be of sufficient quality to bind the being. See above.

[Theodore01]

Maybe it's not a name at all
You can put any name to a gem and get the result you described before. I just tried and named a gem Hans.

[Kiran]

Hi Fox!

I have around 10 odd summons myself, but my char is neutral, so it also means he can summon devils on the chaotic evil spectrum and angels on the lawful good.

Some things that can be affecting it are:

Your own rep - If not neutral you might struggle with some summons.
Size of "demon" - If using a diamond and nothing happens, it might say the creature is too strong to be bound. Try a canary diamond first before this, or a blue diamond if all else fails.
Are you sure it is a name? I've had over 70 odd books now, and I was certain 2-3 had a name in them, but it was simply a story.

If you want I can help you icly to fix this, I assure you I wont steal the name nor sell it as money/more names is of no interest to me anymore. I also reccomend having a bard near and buffing your diplomacy high after discovering the name. I got some diplomacy gear you can borrow if needed

[Planehopper]

This sounds like a mechanical failure.

If it were alignment, or diamond type, there are specific feedback messages that you would see. (The diamond cracks for diamond type for example).

I would hold off for dev help.

Anyone else entered a new name in the last update?

[Theodore01]

Maybe it's not a name at all

If you don't get any other (fail) messages, it's probably this.

(And yeah, i successfully scribed/summoned a name a few days ago.)

[Wyatt]

I don’t know. It is definitely the name in the tome of a known fiend so I don’t think that is the problem. Maybe I need epic gate instead of greater planar ally? COuld that be a thing? I haven’t tried a blue diamond yet either. I didnt want to waste the coin unnecessarily.

[Steve]

I wrote out many of the Dusty Tomes names/lore/background for dedude when he was building the Named Summons system. I specifically wrote many for Epic Level Summons, so yes, it can be that you are just inable to summon such.

However, I'm siding with Planehopper here that maybe there is something wrong mechanically, because as you describe it, you're not getting any sort of confirmation dialogue, just a unfulfilled repeat of the Naming process.

I thin it is best to try out with Kiran, if you can, to get this summons to work by using a more mechanically powerful PC summoner, even if a an OOC action.

Because if it doesn't also work for Kiran, then we would all be much more certain the underlying mechanics are at fault, over you PC being simply to "weak" to fulfill the reqs.

[Theodore01]

It is definitely the name in the tome of a known fiend

That's what makes me wondering ......

A true name is always a two-part name.

Example: Found a tome about pool of radiance, within was Tyranthraxus mentioned. But that's not summon-able name at all. It's just a history tome.

[electric mayhem]

I agree, there may be something wrong mechanically.
Usually you get a message appear in combat/chat log with a hint as to why a 'failure' occurs. When it occurs.
May be worth making a post in the Bugs section of the forums, with a link back to this thread. For forum cleanliness sake

[Darkcloud777]

I have another Dusty Tome question. What happens when a named summons dies in combat? Had it happen to me when we teleported into the cloudpeaks to an ambush.

[Darkcloud777]

okay I found the answer in a related post. Can anyone confirm what the cooldown is currently? Heard it was or might be changed.

https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Summoning