9ranger /8 assasin / 8 divine champion / 5 tempest

[JIŘÍ]

I am trying to roll with an elven warrior.

Wood elf, or drow.

Strenght 20 / 31
Dexterity 13
Constitution 11
Inteligence 13
Wisdom 8
Charisma 8

Favored enemie: Elves. Humans.
Blindfight.
Weapon focus: longsword
Expertise
Dodge
Mobility
Spring attack
Oversized two weapon fighting
Tripartity
Improved critical:longsword
Great strenght I, II, III, IV
Armor skin
Epic prowess
Expose weakness

The idea is to sit at expertise, while negating penalties trough tripartite. Basic BA is 28, +12 str, +4 W.EH. -2 dual wield, 1 prowess and 1 W.F, +2 tempest. = 46 AB prior spells.

AC should be 10 base +3 tumble + 2 tempest + 16 (armour bonus, dodge...) +5 chainmail +3 dex +3 tripartite +3 expertise = 45 prior spells.

I picked divine champion for more saves, 22/20/11. Assasin is included for evading trough hips, the build is not intended as sneaking focused.

Did i get the math right?

thanks

[Zkenic]

The build should be fine, if you use HiPS properly you'll be functional in pve. If you are a +2 dex race, get dex to 15 and use mithral chainmail for +6AC and +4dex. Also Tripartide ends up taking 4 attacks away, so with GTWF and 26BAB you'll get 2 attacks on your mainhanx and 3 on your offhand. Also if you are autocounting CE in AC, then I'd rememver to add it to AB, so 43. All that hat being said...

Usually when I make a build I start with what archetype I want. It's hard to tell what you are aiming for with your build here. AB is higher than what is needed for sneak attack. AC is OK, not amazing but not terrible. Saves are not high enough without buffs to resist magics,, but higher than straight rogue builds. Sneak attack dice are alright, but no epic precision. GTWF, but ok damage per hit with no Northlander Hewing or fighter feats. You can mix a stealth and fightery, but to what effect?

[JIŘÍ]

The build should be fine, if you use HiPS properly you'll be functional in pve. If you are a +2 dex race, get dex to 15 and use mithral chainmail for +6AC and +4dex. Also Tripartide ends up taking 4 attacks away, so with GTWF and 26BAB you'll get 2 attacks on your mainhanx and 3 on your offhand. Also if you are autocounting CE in AC, then I'd rememver to add it to AB, so 43. All that hat being said...

Usually when I make a build I start with what archetype I want. It's hard to tell what you are aiming for with your build here. AB is higher than what is needed for sneak attack. AC is OK, not amazing but not terrible. Saves are not high enough without buffs to resist magics,, but higher than straight rogue builds. Sneak attack dice are alright, but no epic precision. GTWF, but ok damage per hit with no Northlander Hewing or fighter feats. You can mix a stealth and fightery, but to what effect?

Should it not be BAB28, not 26?

The only 3/4 class is assasin. According to the tables it makes it 28.

How does tripartite take away 4 attacks? Wiki says you are reduced to 3 attacks that takes away 3 of them. Even if it took 4, it would mean +1ab/1ac. Tripartite would negate the penalty from CE (+3 / -3).

I want primary a melee. HIPS is added to get a thing to counter spells or gain temporary advantage. After long discussion with friend i was persuaded it is neccesary. This pc is not planned as sneak attacker, so AB is focused as highest as was possible to get. Divine champion i added over fighter because the gap in saves was even bigger.

This character could sneak, but it would be an addon than thing demanded from it.

46 AB/AC is "ok" prior buffs? The only way how i got it higher was on FS or purposedly set up MAA / bard , if its only okay then i am clearly doing something wrong.

[Zkenic]

Sorry I mentioned 26 BAB because that's when you get the 6th melee attack. I can't comment on wiki description of AT, but I can tell you that I have a character with GTWF and 29BAB and he loses 4 attacks and gets 4AC with AT active. AT doesn't add AB. Its 1 AC and 1 damage per attack lost.

If you are only getting DC for saves, I'd take a look at AK or dervish. AK and Devish gets high Will save, so a 8th level would get +6will, compared to DC base +2 with a +4 bonus (there is a 20 cap on bonuses to saves so base saves are more valuable). AK gets some bonus feats and requires Iron Will (which adds to will and doesnt count towards the 20cap) and gives spellcradt for that juicy +6saves against all spells. Dervish gives more AC and temporary Ab/damage. DC does give bonus feats, and if you go dervish you want 9 at least, anf for AK you'd want to go 10, but I figure it doesn't hurt to let you know they exist.

Finally 43AB (46-3 from CE) is definitely good, though its not the highest one can get. 46ish AC is good, but not as high as it can get. Trading a bit of AC and AB for HiPS with assassin is a fair trade, but it is a trade. Getting rid of assassin allows you to get more AB, AC, and melee damage (assuming no death attack damage). Not saying anything is better than anything else, just good to know.

[JIŘÍ]

Sorry I mentioned 26 BAB because that's when you get the 6th melee attack. I can't comment on wiki description of AT, but I can tell you that I have a character with GTWF and 29BAB and he loses 4 attacks and gets 4AC with AT active. AT doesn't add AB. Its 1 AC and 1 damage per attack lost.

If you are only getting DC for saves, I'd take a look at AK or dervish. AK and Devish gets high Will save, so a 8th level would get +6will, compared to DC base +2 with a +4 bonus (there is a 20 cap on bonuses to saves so base saves are more valuable). AK gets some bonus feats and requires Iron Will (which adds to will and doesnt count towards the 20cap) and gives spellcradt for that juicy +6saves against all spells. Dervish gives more AC and temporary Ab/damage. DC does give bonus feats, and if you go dervish you want 9 at least, anf for AK you'd want to go 10, but I figure it doesn't hurt to let you know they exist.

Finally 43AB (46-3 from CE) is definitely good, though its not the highest one can get. 46ish AC is good, but not as high as it can get. Trading a bit of AC and AB for HiPS with assassin is a fair trade, but it is a trade. Getting rid of assassin allows you to get more AB, AC, and melee damage (assuming no death attack damage). Not saying anything is better than anything else, just good to know.

Oh i mistaken damage for AB on AT...too late in the morning lol. I am being told that HIPS is best way to counter spells and some abilities. And i think it is better to have access to it then few points more of AC / AB, it leaves more room for a choice. I'll ponder over to DC, though it adds equally flat bonus saves into all three and comes with 4 feats.

If it takes away 4 attacks then wiki is wrong (no surprise though ).

I considered northland hewing, might eventually swap it for improved critical feat (after all i just saw a longsword with it as property).

[Zkenic]

I have a ranger/dervish, and I can tell you that Northlander Hewing is a godsend. I have it and AT on my ranger, and I can swap between either of them or neither depending on the monster. What I find is that when you need the extra AC AT is wonderful, but if you are at a comfortable AC the extra 10ish damage you do per swing from NLH makes everything run quicker. Quicker means less hits on you, less money spent on healing kits, and a better time in PvE. If you can, I would recommend having both.

As for Imp Crit - Long Sword, imp crit as a feat is very nice as a quality of life, but it is unneeded. There is an epic long sword that give you imp crit. There are also whetstones that give you 50 minutes of keen on your swords that cannot be dispelled.