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!!! IMPORTANT !!! Community Discussion - Was Tyr, now I don't know what is going on but let's roll with the punches
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:50 pm
by Cinnamon
There will be a Public Tribunal held, through the power a Tyr Priest. We would like DM Sanction, but I only have so much time before someone tries to gut Cinnamon like a fish. So, no pressure, but the battle against time is on.
Consider this akin to the recent Duchal Event, except it will be held in a foray or Temple of Tyr (if we have one, I dont know)
If you want your voice heard on this case, or to see the Delusional Tiefling face her darkest hour, now is the time to do it.
If anyone is a Tyr Priest, this is your time to Shine.
I will have the Tyr Sourcebook(s) open and will study them between now and the date set, as I actually know jack f* all about Tyr, honest truth.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:29 am
by Planehopper
I dont know what all this is - what is IC and what is OOC - but if this is in anyway related to an issue with DMs or staff, you should stop here and take it to PMs with the appropriate parties.
Breaking the rules of the forum will lead to further action.
Thanks
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:58 am
by Cinnamon
Planehopper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:29 am
I dont know what all this is - what is IC and what is OOC - but if this is in anyway related to an issue with DMs or staff, you should stop here and take it to PMs with the appropriate parties.
Breaking the rules of the forum will lead to further action.
Thanks
Wanna quote any possible rulebreaks, cus this has nothing to do with Staff besides "I have filed a request, but regardless of a yes or no, I am doing this Plotline, for the better."
DMs
supposedly want Player Plotines, this is one of them, it just happens to require the jurisdiction of a Priest's calling upon their God's Special Spell to Divine their God's Judgement upon someone, which I don't have the time to sit around watching every character trying to PvP over an accusation with no evidence whilst DMs deliberate and then say no.
This has gone beyond the boundaries of OOC/IC conduct, this needs an immediate decision. The server is seemingly in an outrage.
I'm getting toggled just for walking down a Tradeway at the 'mo because of the rumour Stunrae (Cinnamon) killed someone without any supporting evidence.
This is a rare case where the staff need to do something immediately or I have to do it myself.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 am
by DM SummerBreeze
I for one, do not understand this post.

Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:14 am
by Cinnamon
Do any of my posts make any sense ;(
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:18 am
by Cinnamon
DM SummerBreeze wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:58 am
I for one, do not understand this post.
I did beeg edit r u heppy pls say yes I am tired brain
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:19 am
by Etran
Cinnamon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:50 pm
I will have the Tyr Sourcebook(s) open and will study them between now and the date set, as I actually know jack f* all about Tyr, honest truth.
Honestly, this sentence kinda ruins it all.
Because it sounds like you have an outcome in your head already and you are ready to protest about any other different possibility.
It kind of... takes off the meaning of something like that entirely, or getting a DM involved just to get drama if they believe a different outcome is more proper.
EDIT: I am not involved into the facts that led to this, just want to specify, that's my opinion as someone who is looking at it from the outside.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:43 pm
by Kaeldre
I do not think anyone should jump to conclusions in this case. What is clear is that a player is reaching out to create an event, which would require a priest devoted to the god known as Tyr. This is largely thematic and seems like an interesting take to resolve or end conflict.
I will offer some thoughts of my own regarding the event however. I do not think a tribunal should be held with the expectation that the priest in question can invoke their god's judgement. While this might be possible in the DnD universe, it is not a reality of the server setting. If a tribunal is held, then my expectation would be that word is set against word, where the arbiter delivers final verdict. Either to the relief or detriment of the accused.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:15 pm
by flipside43
Kaeldre wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:43 pm
I will offer some thoughts of my own regarding the event however. I do not think a tribunal should be held with the expectation that the priest in question can invoke their god's judgement. While this might be possible in the DnD universe, it is not a reality of the server setting. If a tribunal is held, then my expectation would be that word is set against word, where the arbiter delivers final verdict. Either to the relief or detriment of the accused.
Just quoting this for truth.
I'd also recommend putting an RP post on the forum so others have an easier time interacting vs an OOC cold approach. Also, yes, there should be a Temple of Tyr in BG. I do worry that even if you go through with this, not all characters are going to care and you might still be in the negative OOC space you were? Perhaps a break from the toon would be better?
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:19 pm
by yyj
I agree with the poster above that making an IC post about the event would be the best avenue to get this done.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:26 pm
by Cinnamon
Etran wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:19 am
Cinnamon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:50 pm
I will have the Tyr Sourcebook(s) open and will study them between now and the date set, as I actually know jack f* all about Tyr, honest truth.
Honestly, this sentence kinda ruins it all.
Because it sounds like you have an outcome in your head already and you are ready to protest about any other different possibility.
It kind of... takes off the meaning of something like that entirely, or getting a DM involved just to get drama if they believe a different outcome is more proper.
EDIT: I am not involved into the facts that led to this, just want to specify, that's my opinion as someone who is looking at it from the outside.
I have an idea, yes, because I am a lore nerd. That's always how it goes. However, my ideas are never enforced. At least, I don't try to come across that way.
I just correct anything that's a direct contradiction, I am always down to improv or ab-libbing things that are sound, and not things are done just to make a character overpowered to win every context. Rae can be considered a latter, because her field of studies surround specific things, but she doesn't go outbox those niches.
As for the Sourcebooks, I need to research them because I know nothing about Tyr and need to know what I'm setting myself up for? How can I respond if I don't know what's being done. It's what we're supposed to do, we're just assumed to not manipulate knowledge in favour of RP. Which I'm not doing. I have no power on this event, I am handing my character over to be trialled and I will bring the full evidence OOC that is required for this trial to whoever is the Arbiter & Priest.
We have everything ready.
flipside43 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:15 pm
Kaeldre wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:43 pm
I will offer some thoughts of my own regarding the event however. I do not think a tribunal should be held with the expectation that the priest in question can invoke their god's judgement. While this might be possible in the DnD universe, it is not a reality of the server setting. If a tribunal is held, then my expectation would be that word is set against word, where the arbiter delivers final verdict. Either to the relief or detriment of the accused.
Just quoting this for truth.
I'd also recommend putting an RP post on the forum so others have an easier time interacting vs an OOC cold approach. Also, yes, there should be a Temple of Tyr in BG. I do worry that even if you go through with this, not all characters are going to care and you might still be in the negative OOC space you were? Perhaps a break from the toon would be better?
Will do, just need to make things publicly clear and refine my edits seeing as people didnt understand me at first. Now it makes sense and people are good to go, I can work on making a proper RP thread where we have a Priest and so on. <3
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:35 pm
by Tekill
I think if I read this correctly, your character is upset about rumors of an alleged murder of which your character is the suspect. So you plan on turning yourself in to the church of Tyr, in order to get a proper trial, in the hopes it will clear your name.
Things you may want to consider:
Is there a warrant out for your arrest. Are you even a suspect to the Holy Justice of Tyr?
If you turn yourself in are you going to be confessing that you did it or only that people are pointing fingers behind your back?
Where did the murder take place- was there laws in this jurisdiction?
Is there a body, is there a motive, is there witnesses, is there any evidence at all?
Are you just going to walk up to a priest of Tyr and say, folk are accusing me of murder but they have no proof- do something about it?
If there is an unruly mob out to get you, and dragging your good name through the mud, you could take another approach. It would make good sense acquire legal council from a Priest of Tyr regarding the details of what has happened. Naturally they will most likely want the answers to the above questions.
They may advise you to turn to the law enforcement of the jurisdiction where the mob is hunting and have you ask them for protection. This is assuming you are inocent. Otherwise they would advise you to turn yourself in, to the same law enforcement.
It would not be justice if Church of Tyr automatically judges and attempts to condemn you as a murderer.
They are there to see that truth prevails and that justice is served. Perhaps this Tyrean priest can represent you and not only try to help prove your innocence but also represent you in any legal action you want to take regarding claims of harassment and slander being done to you.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm
by gedweyignasia
Cinnamon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:26 pmI will bring the full evidence OOC that is required for this trial to whoever is the Arbiter & Priest.
This is probably not the best approach. For other PCs, it's best to provide IC information, saving OOC information for DMs. I understand that it can be tempting to aid another player in gaining a fuller understanding of the situation, but this may fall under "metagaming", especially if their PC is expected to render judgment based on information which they did not obtain IC. It may be better to expect less of a "True" judgment and more of a subjective, fully IC judgment.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:36 pm
by Cinnamon
People have super mucked up what's going on, though. This is a trial by a god, they -need- to know the evidence, but ONLY the people who are directly channelling the god, as to not base the entire RP on rumour milling.
Which, by the way, I am VERY HAPPY with how mucked up people made this plotline, however that cannot have any play on dealing with a Direct God's Worship and their mechanics. As that would not be prim or proper.
EDIT: Metagaming in this context is to prevent godmoding of Tyr and his Follower's, because they cannot be led astray by misinformation and rumours.
gedweyignasia wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm
Cinnamon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:26 pmI will bring the full evidence OOC that is required for this trial to whoever is the Arbiter & Priest.
This is probably not the best approach. For other PCs, it's best to provide IC information, saving OOC information for DMs. I understand that it can be tempting to aid another player in gaining a fuller understanding of the situation, but this may fall under "metagaming", especially if their PC is expected to render judgment based on information which they did not obtain IC. It may be better to expect less of a "True" judgment and more of a subjective, fully IC judgment.
Re: !!! IMPORTANT !!! Cinnamon & Tyr's Scales
Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:39 pm
by Cinnamon
Tekill wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:35 pm
I think if I read this correctly, your character is upset about rumors of an alleged murder of which your character is the suspect. So you plan on turning yourself in to the church of Tyr, in order to get a proper trial, in the hopes it will clear your name.
Things you may want to consider:
Is there a warrant out for your arrest. Are you even a suspect to the Holy Justice of Tyr?
If you turn yourself in are you going to be confessing that you did it or only that people are pointing fingers behind your back?
Where did the murder take place- was there laws in this jurisdiction?
Is there a body, is there a motive, is there witnesses, is there any evidence at all?
Are you just going to walk up to a priest of Tyr and say, folk are accusing me of murder but they have no proof- do something about it?
If there is an unruly mob out to get you, and dragging your good name through the mud, you could take another approach. It would make good sense acquire legal council from a Priest of Tyr regarding the details of what has happened. Naturally they will most likely want the answers to the above questions.
They may advise you to turn to the law enforcement of the jurisdiction where the mob is hunting and have you ask them for protection. This is assuming you are inocent. Otherwise they would advise you to turn yourself in, to the same law enforcement.
It would not be justice if Church of Tyr automatically judges and attempts to condemn you as a murderer.
They are there to see that truth prevails and that justice is served. Perhaps this Tyrean priest can represent you and not only try to help prove your innocence but also represent you in any legal action you want to take regarding claims of harassment and slander being done to you.
She's turning herself in because Candlekeep, namely Celestia, suggested doing so, and Isabella may or may not back this up.
Cinnamon is taking the suggestion - There is an angry mob, there are lots of accusations, but similarly, there's a whole SLEW of accusations over her time.
I want to get them dealt with all here and now, there's loads of witnesses and or evidence to field the Tyr trial, I know this much.
Whatever you need of me, I'll happily send to you on as an Inbox, Tekill. All the screens, the playernames, the evidence, and how it would work for you and your God.