Counterspell(ing)

Steve · Unread post by **Steve** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:25 am

Is anyone out there in gameland actually using Counterspell, or the Counterspelling Mechanhcs, to any affect, positive or negative? Cheers.

Xorena · Unread post by **Xorena** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:39 am

I don't know how it's supposed to work. Help?

Steve · Unread post by **Steve** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:53 am

https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... _Mechanics

Zkenic · Unread post by **Zkenic** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:35 am

Counterspelling has had a few fixes and updates (thanks Valefort!), and I haven't done a QC test of the mechanics since then, so take what I'm saying with a little grain of salt. My wizard has epic counterspell. I will say that until I got epic counterspell, I found CSing to be solely a negative. With epic counterspell I have found that there are moments that it shines through and clutchs victory from the claws of defeat. It is still limited and even its most useful moments get beat out in the long run PvE due to high monster density and in PvP because of wand use.

If it didnt take four feats, including an epic one, I would recommend every mage pick it up. With the heavy feat investment, I'd say take it if you like the niche appeal but it is not a necessary take.

Wolfrayne · Unread post by **Wolfrayne** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:45 am

With how easy it is to get mantle wands etc the feats are a waste of time sadly.

Hoihe · Unread post by **Hoihe** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:04 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:25 am Is anyone out there in gameland actually using Counterspell, or the Counterspelling Mechanhcs, to any affect, positive or negative? Cheers.

Laeria used to use them to good effect vs the Dracolich. Sorcerer with multiple disjunctions is fairly effective

However, she didn't engage in moving and or anything like that. I'm very afraid of moving in counterspell mode due to a bug a few years back to perma-stuck a character until reset.

But if you stay in place? Should work vs bosses

Lockonnow · Unread post by **Lockonnow** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:37 am

what about the Archmage prc Counterspelling dose that work?

Steve · Unread post by **Steve** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:35 am

Lockonnow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:37 am what about the Archmage prc Counterspelling dose that work?

It is technically the same system, just Arch Mage allows to choose counterspelling Feats as Special Abilities??

Steve · Unread post by **Steve** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:35 am

Lockonnow wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:37 am what about the Archmage prc Counterspelling dose that work?

It is technically the same system, just Arch Mage allows to choose counterspelling Feats as Special Abilities??

Lockonnow · Unread post by **Lockonnow** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:38 am

I see it have been remove

Unread post by **Rinzler** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:49 pm

I will use it on epic bosses who cast mords but that's about it.

Azroth · Unread post by **Azroth** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:19 pm

Zkenic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:35 am Counterspelling has had a few fixes and updates (thanks Valefort!), and I haven't done a QC test of the mechanics since then, so take what I'm saying with a little grain of salt. My wizard has epic counterspell. I will say that until I got epic counterspell, I found CSing to be solely a negative. With epic counterspell I have found that there are moments that it shines through and clutchs victory from the claws of defeat. It is still limited and even its most useful moments get beat out in the long run PvE due to high monster density and in PvP because of wand use.

If it didnt take four feats, including an epic one, I would recommend every mage pick it up. With the heavy feat investment, I'd say take it if you like the niche appeal but it is not a necessary take.

When was it fixed? All I recall is it being a buggy mess as per what others said in the past who attempted to use it.

Zkenic · Unread post by **Zkenic** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:59 pm

Azroth wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:19 pm
Zkenic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:35 am Counterspelling has had a few fixes and updates (thanks Valefort!), and I haven't done a QC test of the mechanics since then, so take what I'm saying with a little grain of salt. My wizard has epic counterspell. I will say that until I got epic counterspell, I found CSing to be solely a negative. With epic counterspell I have found that there are moments that it shines through and clutchs victory from the claws of defeat. It is still limited and even its most useful moments get beat out in the long run PvE due to high monster density and in PvP because of wand use.

If it didnt take four feats, including an epic one, I would recommend every mage pick it up. With the heavy feat investment, I'd say take it if you like the niche appeal but it is not a necessary take.

When was it fixed? All I recall is it being a buggy mess as per what others said in the past who attempted to use it.

Its still a buggy mess. The main thing Valefort fixed was that Mordes CS used to just take in CL from base class CL. Now it includes archmage, redwizard, and blood mage extra CLs.

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