Feytouched Warlock build advice

[Calen]

I'm thinking of rolling a moon elf fey touched warlock, though I have no idea how to build one or what feats/spells to pick for both non and + epic.
Would appreciate some input how to tackle such a build for an elf.
I'm not dead set on what I want in the build, aside of the RP fun I would like it to be a good build for pve as well.
Shadow dancer would be nice but is for me by no means a must.

Either way , curious how to make this work.

[Calen]

I've been trying to make a couple of builds in jecht but a good amount of abilities are broken.

1: Ability focus (invocations) should add 1 DC to my spells correct?

2: Is a DC based warlock viable on this server, I've gotten up to 35 DC with it

3: Is Fey power worth picking up

4: In what way is spell specialization ranged attack worth it? Does it just add 1 damage a hit ?

5: If I go full DC, worth picking up the 4 charisma vs getting 4 epic feats for blasting dice.

I appreciate the help, I find it incredibly difficult to make a working build on this server with all its tweaks and rules with an experience punishment if you botch it.

[Blaze]

Conlocks are the best and the most fun to play in the long run in my opinion.

An example of
Human level 30 Conlock (pure warlock)

MIN MAX stats:
11 STR
16 DEX / 20 with +4 dex gloves or L&B - Mithril Breastplate 5/5
17 CON
14 INT for ICE and skillpoints
8 WIS
8 CHA

Non MIN-MAX stats:
13 STR
14 DEX / 18 +4 dex gloves or L&B - Iron chainshirt 4/4
16 CON
14 INT for ICE and skillpoints
8 WIS
13 CHA


Odd stats are the best, +3 items are easy to find and cheap



You have a decent RTA with +5 (or +4) dex mod. and you can use mithril breastplate (or iron chain shirt) without ASF.

Feats:

- Pre epic
luck of heroes, CE, toughness, ICE, steadfast, dark transient (flee the scene x2 duration and +2 ab instead of +1), improved critical RTA, blindfight.

You will do less damage than those who use the RTA focuses and RTA specialization (?), but the difference lies in being versatile and not dying.

- Epic
Eldritch master, epic con+1, epic con+2 epic eldritch blast 1d6,2d6,3d6, fast healing 1, fast healing 2. (non minmax)
Eldritch master, epic con +1, epic eldritch blast 1-2-3-4-5-6d6. (minmax)

Final stats?
480 hp (+3 con item)
21 fortitude 27 will without uni save items and +6 spellcraft saves
24 fort 30 will with dark one's own luck (+3 charisma item if you are using the non minmax build)

AC= 10 + 1 LoH + 6 ICE + 4 Chain S. + 4 DEX + 6 IMA Wand + 4 Dodge boots +4 Nat armor necklace + 4 deflection item + 1 light shield (asf -05) +4 shield wand
+1 flee the scene = 49 AC (+3 tortoise s. +1 shield of faith elixirs or scrolls = 53)

Minmax AC = 51AC (55 with elixirs/scrolls)

In my humble opinion the fast healing build is the one that will keep you entertained mostly. You will spend nothing on healing potions and bandages, you will have high saving throws, tons of HP for a warlock, 49 AC is not that bad and you can use scrolls and wands (max UMD). The only negative stat is WIS but for a feypact warlock I think it's one more point for your RP, pure and unpredictable chaos xD

This build is not the best, it is not a powerbuil and it's not dictated by the server content (no evasion or open lock, no epic dodge etc.etc.). You may not get to kill a dracolich alone and surely your AB will be low compared to other CONlock builds (29 RTA ab with flee the scene and L&B, 23 if you are using ICE)

[Calen]

Cheers for writing it all out and con locks are indeed solid, I like the non min max build a lot.
If I would min max it I would go hellfire +dragonslayer though it would stray to far from what I want to do.
Though feytouched doesn't do much for conlocks mechanical wise that and rolling a con lock moon elf is not playing to the race it's strenght.

How do charisma locks hold up in general at the high end? Since I was going for a moonelf I thought that would be a better approach.
I don't seek to solo bosses though at least don't want to fall over the moment there is some lag or a few extra mobs spawn.

[Blaze]

I am playing a monk currently and I can assure you that DCs must be at least 35/40 to have a slight chance of effect on epic mobs. (fire/frost giants)

[Calen]

Are builds such as shield bash+blind strike builds and DC based clerics a bit weak at the epic levels?
Highest DC I got on a non min/max cleric was 39 on storm and the shield bash build would require mobs to make a 30 fort save vs strike.
The max I got out of the charisma lock was 35 DC without resorting to other races or go full out min/max.

The only experience I had at epic levels was with an Assassin/Phantom which could handle itself pretty well.
If this is the case I find it hard to think of anything that would make use out of a fey touched warlock as its main boon is the extra DC.

[Deathgrowl]

I'm the weird and obnoxious kind of person who will denounce all elven warlocks.

That said, I have tested warlocks to some extent during my time as QC, and while constitution based warlock is a good sponge, I saw more interesting gameplay in dexterity or charisma based ones.

For the dexterity ones, you get somewhat better AB on your RTAs, which isn't enormously important, since touch AC is generally low. But it can be useful against enemies with high dodge and/or deflection. More importantly, if you mix dexterity and intelligence as your focus here, you can get the great warlock/shadowdancer.
Example:
https://nwn2db.com/build/?207965
Here, the focus is on damage. The invocations you pick, both offensive and defensive, focus on just being a blaster. With HIPS and evasion, you have some extra great choices for defense. It doesn't utilise (or really fit in - as it is quite feat heavy) fey heritage feats, however.

For charisma ones, you get to be a quite good controller, especially with chained noxious blast. The point here is that where the wizard or sorcerer controller has higher DCs, their spells have to work on the first cast to really be useful. If you have to keep recasting the control spell as a mage, you run out of spells really fast. But as a warlock, you can just spam that thing. And with a DC of around 30-32 (which is easy enough to get to), you will be doing decent damage, but also fairly reliably controlling mobs.
Charisma based warlocks also work good with blackguard, for the added charisma-to-saves and potential access to divine shield for more AC.
Example:
https://nwn2db.com/build/?251277
In this example, I have gone for charisma as a focus, but you can get away with just going blast dice and pumping charisma with level-ups only. DC will suffer a bit from it, but your damage would be higher. As you can see, I do still pick up eldrich master and one blast dice (because even charisma). Eldrich master is just too powerful to pass up on.

With that in mind, then, you should be able to build a charisma based warlock even without blackguard, and instead picking up fey heritage feats. I've seen charisma based fey heritage warlocks do great things.

[Calen]

Hey Growl, cheers for the advice.
The second build you posted is not publically available though I got my answer about the eldritch blasts vs charisma pump.
I was thinking of at least picking up two fey traits for the DC and damage reduction as they stack with other dr.
Going to try a few test builds and see how they do.


Going a bit off-topic here as I'm currently still chewing through the fey wild and elven lore in general.
Is it that much of a snowflake combination to have a feytouched/ fey pact elf warlock in terms of what is plausible lore wise?
Not as much as an elf willingly accepting such madness but more a chain of events that could lead up to a pact somewhere in the bloodline.

BG is a nice pick though I feel like it will isolate my character too much rp wise on a server like this , that and I don't think an elven BG is plausible unless drow.

[Deathgrowl]

Fixed, now public!

Careful with that lore stuff. Feywild is 4th edition or newer.

[Calen]

Didn't the server introduce the fey wild and fey pacts or did they just add small parts of it with BTTSCC having some custom stuff as well.
I did run into a few people rping about its existence, given that was a year ago as I've been on a break.

[Deathgrowl]

I've been gone for one and a half year, so maybe!

Fey pacts are a thing of 3.5, though, it's just the feywild that isn't.

This is from the 3.5 source Complete Mage:

[Rhifox]

Feywild does exist, it's just much further away from the world right now and known about only by few, and those who do know of it don't know it by the name 'feywild' yet. Generally it's just thought of as the plane of faerie, or the realm of faerie.

[Calen]

Which will all change when the time of troubles starts haha, I think I can work with that it is mainly unknown.
I'll probably settle for 17w/9FT/4F or a 21w/9FT with a shield last option would be 17W/4DS/9FT given that dragonslayer doesn't suit the PC + will lose out fey feats.
Appreciate all the feedback and welcome back Growl.

[Theodore01]

From a mechanical side, feytouched is a weak class, as it costs you a qualification feat and epic bonus feats.

Feystep is really nice, Witch Sight is also good addition. But is it worth the loss of epic feats ?

[DaloLorn]

Feywild does exist, it's just much further away from the world right now and known about only by few, and those who do know of it don't know it by the name 'feywild' yet. Generally it's just thought of as the plane of faerie, or the realm of faerie.

Mmm, while I've definitely been among those who have previously used the term anachronistically out of ignorance... I like it. It's convenient enough a name, and sensible enough, that I'm generally willing to forgive and deliberately perpetuate the anachronism.