Athkatlan triparite reduces main hand attacks to 0

[yyj]

I just noticed when using AThkatlan triparite it's possible to end up with 0 main hand attacks.

[EasternCheesE]

Could you please post the specific information about how you used it, how many BAB/attacks you have basically and if you did anything to increase/reduce attack count? If you don't want to share build info, you can PM to QC group with the link to this post so we know what you refer to.
Since Athkatlan is quite often used by players and it's the first time this issue is posted (at least, it's first time i see it), we may need more details to narrow down and reproduce issue to give it to Dev team.

[Theodore01]

Guess the feat needs a min. BAB requirement also.

Bab16 would make sense i say

[EasternCheesE]

I just noticed when using AThkatlan triparite it's possible to end up with 0 main hand attacks.

Thank you for giving me additional details. I will post it to QC forums for additional investigation.

[EasternCheesE]

I did a bit of investigation.
As of wiki, it's stated that with dual-wield, only mainhand attacks are reduced. Thus, since you have <=4 mainhand attacks ATM, you lose all your mainhand attacks. It should fix itself when you have >= 5 mainhand attacks so then you will do 1 mainhand and N offhand attacks (based on your feats and BaB).

I have updated the wiki on Athkatlan to reflect this.
When devs look into it deeper and if they find the way to change it's mechanics to remove to-zero-reduction, we will inform you on coming soon forums.

Thanks again for posting this, i hope this "feature" of Athkatlan don't break your gameplay experience!

[EasternCheesE]

Guess the feat needs a min. BAB requirement also.

Bab16 would make sense i say

That could be a way to fix, but people being forced to grab it as an epic feat (and 21 BAB prereq since 16 BAB will still leave one with 0 mainhand attacks) won't be happy about it, don't you agree?

[Theodore01]

+16/+11/+6/+1* = 1 attack

and as it is a combat style feat, most combat builds would be able to grab it pre-epic (lv18).
That would also help, preventing the dual wielders from using it too early.

[EasternCheesE]

+16/+11/+6/+1* = 1 attack

and as it is a combat style feat, most combat builds would be able to grab it pre-epic (lv18).
That would also help, preventing the dual wielders from using it too early.

You calculate it a bit differently that you should for dual wielding, that's why i mentioned 21 BAB.
Your calculations are totally correct for single weapon.
But, say, one has 4 attacks with mainhand and 3 attacks with offhand (GTWF). Athkatlan sees there are 7 attacks total, so it removes 4 attacks from mainhand weapon, giving you 4 AC and 4 dmg at the cost of all your mainhand attacks. That's why for twf builds, it will allow to have mainhand attack only starting from 21 BAB.

[Theodore01]

I know about the off-hand problem,
so maybe only the main-hand attacks should be calculated then ?

[EasternCheesE]

I redirected the suggestions to Devs. They will look into it and check if it's possible to make it more friendly to people who has less than 5 mainhand attacks
However, we can't promise it's going to happen soon as there are things to be done in higher priority.

[yyj]

I used this feat before on a character that had only one attack, Triparite gave +1 damage and +1 AC but it still let the character attack, so definitely this is unintended behavior.

[Hoihe]

Guess the feat needs a min. BAB requirement also.

Bab16 would make sense i say

That could be a way to fix, but people being forced to grab it as an epic feat (and 21 BAB prereq since 16 BAB will still leave one with 0 mainhand attacks) won't be happy about it, don't you agree?

2 bab from wizard 2 bab from sd

13 from swb/duelist. That is 17 BAB by 20. (split of swash7/du6/wiz4/sd 3 by 20. swaah14/du8/sd3/wiz5 by 30. )

By 18 (qualifying at 17), i only get 13 from swash/du and 2 from wizard.

Please do not give it a 16 BAB requirement. Getting just 1 low bab class before 18 disqualifies you from getting it. I highly doubt my split counts as anything but martial so i do not see why i should be prevented from taking it.

[EasternCheesE]

Guess the feat needs a min. BAB requirement also.

Bab16 would make sense i say

That could be a way to fix, but people being forced to grab it as an epic feat (and 21 BAB prereq since 16 BAB will still leave one with 0 mainhand attacks) won't be happy about it, don't you agree?

2 bab from wizard 2 bab from sd

13 from swb/duelist. That is 17 BAB by 20. (split of swash7/du6/wiz4/sd 3 by 20. swaah14/du8/sd3/wiz5 by 30. )

By 18 (qualifying at 17), i only get 13 from swash/du and 2 from wizard.

Please do not give it a 16 BAB requirement. Getting just 1 low bab class before 18 disqualifies you from getting it. I highly doubt my split counts as anything but martial so i do not see why i should be prevented from taking it.

Yup, right as i said, people won't be happy
Don't worry, i doubt it's requirements would be increased.

[EasternCheesE]

Sadly, it was said it's hardcoded so it's impossible to change it's behavior.