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Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:56 am
by White
(Pretty please) Give Weapon Master something at lvl 10 as a capstone ability. My suggestion: Weapon Supremacy.
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:53 pm
by blacksoft
White wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:56 am
(Pretty please) Give Weapon Master something at lvl 10 as a capstone ability. My suggestion: Weapon Supremacy.
I would rather it see it get a feat that bypasses crit immunes, so it can crit against everything. (But I don't see that happening, so your suggestion is fine)
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:21 am
by Terankar
1 round per class level weapon master, debuff one target, making it critable. Last 10 rounds for a lvl 10 wm
2 uses a day
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:29 am
by Hoihe
There exists a divination spell, "Sense Weakness" that supposedly makes it so the victim automatically forces and confirms critical hits aimed at them. Meaning - all attacks are a critical hit for the duration of the spell.
The spell lasts 1 round, description says the effect is for half a round.
Perhaps this adjusted for WMs, with a DC of...
15 + WM level + X stat.
X could be either Str, int, dex or wis - not sure which fits best (wis maybe? Since it's about "sensing" things)
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:40 am
by YYA
I always suggest this feat:
Improved Whirlwind Attack.
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:21 pm
by joleda
Weapon Masters with Supreme Cleave were (one of) the first reasons that the mobs on this persistent world needed upgrading. Back in the early days of NWN2, when BGTSCC still had BETA in the title, WMs were annihilating entire spawns with a round of crits. It was so bad back then that the staff inflated the hit points of mobs to prevent the WMs from clearing a zone in 60 seconds. Inflating mob hit points rendered blasting mages pointless, which caused those players to utilize gishes. Nearly every character became a martial class of some sort. ... Changes caused more changes. ... etc. ... The snowball had become an avalanche.... Now there is a need to buff the Weapon Master?
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:29 pm
by Terankar
joleda wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:21 pm
Weapon Masters with Supreme Cleave were (one of) the first reasons that the mobs on this persistent world needed upgrading. Back in the early days of NWN2, when BGTSCC still had BETA in the title, WMs were annihilating entire spawns with a round of crits. It was so bad back then that the staff inflated the hit points of mobs to prevent the WMs from clearing a zone in 60 seconds. Inflating mob hit points rendered blasting mages pointless, which caused those players to utilize gishes. Nearly every character became a martial class of some sort. ... Changes caused more changes. ... etc. ... The snowball had become an avalanche.... Now there is a need to buff the Weapon Master?
I would say that it is more a case of making 10 WM viable.
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:00 pm
by White
Terankar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:29 pm
I would say that it is more a case of making 10 WM viable.
Exactly.
Right now, there is
NO good reason to take the last three WM levels, except bragging rights for having a cooler build than anyone else. The Weapon Supremacy I suggested hardly makes WMs OP again, it's just a little something (+1 AB, +1 AC) and fits the theme of the class, in my opinion.
More exciting suggestions are of course welcome, to keep the discussion going.
Re: Weapon Master Level 10
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:55 pm
by Terankar
I would say that weapon supremacy would not be a good fit, since it wouldntakenaeaybfrom 18 fighter, making any WM even stronger and allowing other classes to get the feat without 18 fighter levels.
Perhaps give them overwhelming Crit for their preferred weapon and epic prowess at lvl 9 and 10