Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

So this is something that has been a long time annoyance of mine, which is Humans are forced to be Surface characters here without exception. The reason why it is an annoyance is because that is a gross misrepresentation of the Lore of the main Underdark city that exists on BGTSCC: Sshamath. Nor does it actually account for the accuracy of the server's own custom lore. So currently in the Middledark and Upperdark, Humans are allowed by the laws of the land, but cannot BE of that Land. Really, Humans should be treated like genasi and tieflings and be allowed to choose at character creation if they are going to be living on the surface or underdark. And well there is a lot of canonical lore that supports such a claim, according to the books about Faerun, Humans are found in the UD:



Yes, 1% of the population means it's rare, but so should be Plane-touched, and they appear to be a far larger section of the population—both represented and not represented, visually— that certainly a few Humans born into Sshamath and/or the Upperdark, is not at all a troubling issue to anyone else. I, for one, understand that such a choice could be a "difficult" or "challenging" RP experience, but one that has the possibility to generate role-play, even if that RP experience is of one of being near-constantly taunted, threatened, attacked, murdered, made a slave, sacrificed, etc. (or at least that is how it is described in the Lore Sourcebooks we have at our disposal). Perhaps the best template for this then is by DM Approval only (something that BGTSCC has moved away from in the last few years, but...)?

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BTW, this post is to prove a point: should changes be made to the Server environment because Canon Lore can be bent to support a claim, or, should all changes to the Server come from Role-play. I'd prefer the latter, however...we all know and love—most actually don't love...—that OOC mechanical blocks exist to prevent even certain changes happening THROUGH Role-play. So, of course I am being serious with the top paragraph, but I am also pointing out how it's probably good for knowing how sausages are made.

I mean, I did start out as a UD human, though the plan was always to either reach the surface or die trying...

Do it. If you can make your way without stubbing your toe or falling off a ledge, because you don't have the ability to see, more power to you!

This thread will be locked if it is used to continue the previous discussion related to half-drow, and forum permissions will be evaluated for anyone posting personal attacks or arguments about people.

For now, so long as the idea itself is argued (and not the activity level of the poster, or the motives, or anything similar) it will stay open.

Humans in the UD. Thats the topic. Stay on it.

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:28 pm ...according to the books about Faerun, Humans are found in the UD:



Yes, 1% of the population means it's rare...

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To be fair, the population statistics are denoted by three distinct categories. It begs the question, what does Isolated Population mean?
Free Population - with 0 humans
Isolated Population - with 1% humans
Slave Population - with 803 humans

I opine Isolated Population could mean anyone disenfranchised at the moment or purposely living off-grid. Either way, the definition of Isolated Population would affect the boundaries of any human's RP in the UD.

Cheers!

MrSmith wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:18 pm

To be fair, the population statistics are denoted by three distinct categories. It begs the question, what does Isolated Population mean?
Free Population - with 0 humans
Isolated Population - with 1% humans
Slave Population - with 803 humans

The "Free" population, without having any breakdown in Types, and read in contrast to "slaves" coming next—free vs. slaves—I read it as the Isolated Population and the Free Population are actually the same. But it IS written out in the book kinda weird.

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:28 pm BTW, this post is to prove a point: should changes be made to the Server environment because Canon Lore can be bent to support a claim, or, should all changes to the Server come from Role-play. I'd prefer the latter, however...we all know and love—most actually don't love...—that OOC mechanical blocks exist to prevent even certain changes happening THROUGH Role-play. So, of course I am being serious with the top paragraph, but I am also pointing out how it's probably good for knowing how sausages are made.

I personally have no objections for humans spawning in the UD. If people have wanted to play in the UD but not as duergar, drow, svirfs, or imaskari I say let people have a human that is in the UD or was born in the UD for whatever reason.

Go ahead.

Let them be in UD

Oh snap i agreed with steve, time to go buy a lottery ticket.

GholaMan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:19 pm Oh snap i agreed with steve, time to go buy a lottery ticket.

LOL. What have I done?!?

Humans of the underdark are cattle and deserve nothing but swift death.

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:41 pm

MrSmith wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:18 pm

To be fair, the population statistics are denoted by three distinct categories. It begs the question, what does Isolated Population mean?
Free Population - with 0 humans
Isolated Population - with 1% humans
Slave Population - with 803 humans

I read it as the Isolated Population and the Free Population are actually the same. But it IS written out in the book kinda weird.

Fair point. Because Population free and then each distinct category to follow were separated by semicolons I read them each as independent clauses, albeit related to population.

Either way... This is an RP server. Any human foolish enough to head into the UD without allies and friends should fully expect grief, violence, and outward expressions of hatred. That's an epic-level RP challenge!

Cheers!

Technically there are humans in the bgtscc UD by way of imaskari. I wouldn’t see a problem with non-imaskari humans in the UD, especially if they could start in the dark woods district.

Vision would be a real issue though. But if someone wanted to struggle through that more power to them.

Would make more sense to make it possible for humans, particularly wiz/sorcs to move to the UD once they have acquired the means to survive there. Seeing as S’shamath would be a place to study.

GholaMan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:11 pmI say let people have a human that is in the UD or was born in the UD for whatever reason.

There's even human communities in the UD who have never seen the surface.

I actually support this just like I support half Drow being on the surface.