Northlander Hewing
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:45 pm
Is there any information on how often the random triggered abilities tied to this feat comes into effect?
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I use shifterlock and in cornugon shape, i occasionally do an AoE damage, but no "pop", yes. So, i believe, this part doesn't really work for unarmed shapes.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:25 am Does anybody with one of the many shapechanging/Polymorphing/shifting etc varieties can confirm that those NH extras pop, or not? On my own Shifter, this thread had me thinking that I’ve never seen a “pop” reported in the Combat Log.
Maybe the ground slam for bludgeoning attacks doesn’t work for unarmed?? Or, because different Shifter shapes have either bludgeoning or slashing dmg?
Help?
Do you think this just an oversight in coding, or actually intentional choice for polymorphing?EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:30 amI use shifterlock and in cornugon shape, i occasionally do an AoE damage, but no "pop", yes. So, i believe, this part doesn't really work for unarmed shapes.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:25 am Does anybody with one of the many shapechanging/Polymorphing/shifting etc varieties can confirm that those NH extras pop, or not? On my own Shifter, this thread had me thinking that I’ve never seen a “pop” reported in the Combat Log.
Maybe the ground slam for bludgeoning attacks doesn’t work for unarmed?? Or, because different Shifter shapes have either bludgeoning or slashing dmg?
Help?
I believe the fact that northlander hewing works with unarmed shapes is an oversight in general. But it's been there so long that i see it as "feature" rather than a bug.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:59 amDo you think this just an oversight in coding, or actually intentional choice for polymorphing?EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:30 amI use shifterlock and in cornugon shape, i occasionally do an AoE damage, but no "pop", yes. So, i believe, this part doesn't really work for unarmed shapes.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:25 am Does anybody with one of the many shapechanging/Polymorphing/shifting etc varieties can confirm that those NH extras pop, or not? On my own Shifter, this thread had me thinking that I’ve never seen a “pop” reported in the Combat Log.
Maybe the ground slam for bludgeoning attacks doesn’t work for unarmed?? Or, because different Shifter shapes have either bludgeoning or slashing dmg?
Help?
Northlander hewing is not supposed to work unarmed at all per design, that's what i know. But it does work, which is an oversight.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:54 am No, not that a polymorphed get extra STR-based dmg as per the basic bonus granted by the NH feat, but an oversight that the extra “effects” don’t pop with unarmed shapes.
And Theo confirmed that at least with weapon-bearing versions of shapes, IT DOES WORK, as in, the extra effects pop.
So, it does seem like an oversight, to me.
You misread a few of the posts. It works with the cornugon (hence occasional AoE damage), but IIRC, even in natural form, it won't explicitly tell you it triggered.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:54 am No, not that a polymorphed get extra STR-based dmg as per the basic bonus granted by the NH feat, but an oversight that the extra “effects” don’t pop with unarmed shapes.
And Theo confirmed that at least with weapon-bearing versions of shapes, IT DOES WORK, as in, the extra effects pop.
So, it does seem like an oversight, to me.
I believe I read it correctly: the extra DMG from STR is applied, but NOT one of the 3 extra effects, based on type of dmg (bludgeoning, piercing, slashing).DaloLorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:58 amYou misread a few of the posts. It works with the cornugon (hence occasional AoE damage), but IIRC, even in natural form, it won't explicitly tell you it triggered.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:54 am No, not that a polymorphed get extra STR-based dmg as per the basic bonus granted by the NH feat, but an oversight that the extra “effects” don’t pop with unarmed shapes.
And Theo confirmed that at least with weapon-bearing versions of shapes, IT DOES WORK, as in, the extra effects pop.
So, it does seem like an oversight, to me.
You're right and wrong, it seems. I overlooked the part where EC misinterpreted the results he was getting:Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:01 pmI believe I read it correctly: the extra DMG from STR is applied, but NOT one of the 3 extra effects, based on type of dmg (bludgeoning, piercing, slashing).DaloLorn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:58 amYou misread a few of the posts. It works with the cornugon (hence occasional AoE damage), but IIRC, even in natural form, it won't explicitly tell you it triggered.Steve wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:54 am No, not that a polymorphed get extra STR-based dmg as per the basic bonus granted by the NH feat, but an oversight that the extra “effects” don’t pop with unarmed shapes.
And Theo confirmed that at least with weapon-bearing versions of shapes, IT DOES WORK, as in, the extra effects pop.
So, it does seem like an oversight, to me.
The very existence of AoE damage means the extra effect triggered. Cornugons have a slashing attack, IIRC, so they periodically do a whirlwind for guaranteed damage to all nearby targets. This is not reported in the combat log, except to the extent that the damage itself is logged.EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:30 am I use shifterlock and in cornugon shape, i occasionally do an AoE damage, but no "pop", yes. So, i believe, this part doesn't really work for unarmed shapes.