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Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:09 pm
by Ouroboros
Is Quicken Spell really worth it? If any character has access to 7th, 8th, or 9th level spells, cleric, wizard, whatever, is it worth using Quicken Spell at the cost of a spell four levels higher? Thanks
Re: Quicken Spell
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:22 am
by Tsidkenu
Two spells per round can make a major difference in some circumstances. My Sharran cleric made good use of quickened Slay Living in a few RP encounters that didn't go her way. A quickened Least or Lesser Spell Mantle can also save your hiney in some situations.
Auto-quicken is generally not advised unless you're a conjurer that likes to lob grease and web.
Re: Quicken Spell
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:26 am
by fedex
you cant cast 2 quickened spells in the same round also it can be interrupted despite it shouldn't so idk if its worth at current state
Re: Quicken Spell
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:12 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Scars and SLA's ( if those options are available ) are better than investing on quicken. They cannot be interrupted and they cast almost as fast as a quickened spell.
Quicken at its current state does not worth the investment unless you are looking for every possible edge you can have in PvP
Re: Quicken Spell
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:41 pm
by Ouroboros
Scars and SLA's ... maybe I am mentally slow at present, for but what are these?
What about Spell Power? Is that feat really worth it for that one extra spellcasting point? Does Spell Power add anything else besides caster level?
Random question about Spellcraft? Does this stack with Use Magic Device in any way? Or Does Spell Power? I tested Spell Power, but then deleted some XP to relevel. With Spell Power and one point in UMD, 5 points in Spellcraft, with a +3 charisma, my UMD skill was 6. Then with no Spell Power, no points in Spellcraft, and one point in UMD and a +3 charisms, my UMD skill was 4.
Thanks
Re: Quicken Spell
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:58 am
by Hawke
Ouroboros wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:41 pm
Scars and SLA's ... maybe I am mentally slow at present, for but what are these?
What about Spell Power? Is that feat really worth it for that one extra spellcasting point? Does Spell Power add anything else besides caster level?
Random question about Spellcraft? Does this stack with Use Magic Device in any way? Or Does Spell Power? I tested Spell Power, but then deleted some XP to relevel. With Spell Power and one point in UMD, 5 points in Spellcraft, with a +3 charisma, my UMD skill was 6. Then with no Spell Power, no points in Spellcraft, and one point in UMD and a +3 charisms, my UMD skill was 4.
Thanks
1. Scars, this is from the blood magus class... lets you make a scroll on your flesh one per spell level up to your constitution bonus I believe.
2. SLA is Spell Like Ability. This comes from things like Tiefling Darkness innate ability and Archmage "spells". comes in the form of a feat (now also warlocks too).
3. I dont think Spellcraft stacks but I could be mistaken.
I am on "prescribed medicine" after my surgery today, so if someone can fact check me, I would appreciate it, thank you.
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:08 am
by mrm3ntalist
5 points in spellcraft gives you +2 UMD - It only applies for the first five points
About the SLA, any spell that is not memorized(wizard)/Known(sorcerer) is implemented as a spell like ability. This includes the archmage spells like hawke mentioned and any other spells for classes such as Harpers, Olin Gisir etc. That is where archmage shine- instead of investing on an extra feat and casting quicken spells at higher level, you get SLAs ( archmage) for the spells that you like to have quickened.
SLAs are as good as quickened spells for 99% of the players. The other 1% does not play on BG anymore.
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:20 am
by Hawke
Thanks mrm3ntalist.
Also Scars work like SLAs
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:45 am
by Ouroboros
That is good to know about Spell Craft. Putting those 5 points back in when I relevel.
Still trying to decide on what Heirophant feat to take for a cleric build. I just played with Blast Infidel, but I still desire some input on Spellpower or the other Heirophant feats. Thanks
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:02 am
by Hawke
I dunno much about Hierophant but those inscribe runes look like SLAs.. 9 of them. That's like Blood Magus. Super strong.
Again, I am flying higher than dragon right now if someone more knowledgeable can confirm or clarify please
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:24 am
by Ouroboros
I do not think those SLAs are open to me. Thanks for being here, though. Enjoy your flight if you can.
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:41 am
by Hawke
Ouroboros wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:24 am
I do not think those SLAs are open to me. Thanks for being here, though. Enjoy your flight if you can.
Hoping to pass out again, but no luck yet.
6th level Hierophant gets it. Plan for it. I dont do divine classes but that is a solid deal.
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:54 pm
by Ouroboros
mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:08 am
5 points in spellcraft gives you +2 UMD - It only applies for the first five points
I just tried this in Vordon's Hero Creator, and it didn't work. This must be a BG tweak here.
Anyone know If I actually need to put one point in UMD for get the two points to get added in? For this character, I may be content with 5 UMD, clerics get so few points. 2 from Spell Craft and 3 from Charisma.
General advice on the available Hierophant feats welcome. Thanks
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:54 pm
by mrm3ntalist
Ouroboros wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:54 pm
mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:08 am
5 points in spellcraft gives you +2 UMD - It only applies for the first five points
I just tried this in Vordon's Hero Creator, and it didn't work. This must be a BG tweak here.
Anyone know If I actually need to put one point in UMD for get the two points to get added in? For this character, I may be content with 5 UMD, clerics get so few points. 2 from Spell Craft and 3 from Charisma.
General advice on the available Hierophant feats welcome. Thanks
Yes you need to put at least one point in UMD
Re: Quicken Spell - Spell Power
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:44 pm
by Ouroboros
"What about Spell Power? Is that feat really worth it for that one extra spellcasting point? Does Spell Power add anything else besides caster level?"
I am reading conflicting information on the forum vs. the Wiki, and I would love to know if Spellpower III actually raises CL or just adds duration. Thanks
And when Runes are created, do they last after a server reset?
Thanks