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Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm
by Dolorof
Hello
I recently realized that all of my illusion spells are 1 DC lower than it should, so i suspect its my gnome extra DC that is not working, could be due to that skeleton change? I do not know.
I''ve run the tests in game and here are the results for my illusion spells
Soli DC 31 Wrong should be 10+9 int +1 Spellcaster prod +2 Epic CL+2 Greater spellfocus Illu +1 GNOME EXTRA ILLU DC+7 Spell LVL =32
Also i realized that my two epic spells are also wrong:
Entropic Husk DC 32 Wrong Should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+3 Epic Spell focus Conju+10spell lvl= 35
Greater Ruin DC 35 Wrong should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+1 Spell focus Transmu+10 spell lvl= 33
So maybe my entropic husk is missing the epic spell focus conju and i have no idea what is going on with my greater ruin.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:53 am
by EasternCheesE
dolorof wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm
Hello
I recently realized that all of my illusion spells are 1 DC lower than it should, so i suspect its my gnome extra DC that is not working, could be due to that skeleton change? I do not know.
I''ve run the tests in game and here are the results for my illusion spells
Soli DC 31
Wrong should be 10+9 int +1 Spellcaster prod +2 Epic CL+2 Greater spellfocus Illu +1 GNOME EXTRA ILLU DC+7 Spell LVL =32
Also i realized that my two epic spells are also wrong:
Entropic Husk DC 32 Wrong Should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+3 Epic Spell focus Conju+10spell lvl= 35
Greater Ruin DC 35 Wrong should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+1 Spell focus Transmu+10 spell lvl= 33
So maybe my entropic husk is missing the epic spell focus conju and i have no idea what is going on with my greater ruin.
Please post your PC classes/feats related to CL and DC, also, int score (buffed/unbuffed). It's hard to do calculations without clear info on what you have.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:58 pm
by Dolorof
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 4:53 am
dolorof wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:24 pm
Hello
I recently realized that all of my illusion spells are 1 DC lower than it should, so i suspect its my gnome extra DC that is not working, could be due to that skeleton change? I do not know.
I''ve run the tests in game and here are the results for my illusion spells
Soli DC 31
Wrong should be 10+9 int +1 Spellcaster prod +2 Epic CL+2 Greater spellfocus Illu +1 GNOME EXTRA ILLU DC+7 Spell LVL =32
Also i realized that my two epic spells are also wrong:
Entropic Husk DC 32 Wrong Should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+3 Epic Spell focus Conju+10spell lvl= 35
Greater Ruin DC 35 Wrong should be: 10+9 int +1 Spellcast prod+2 Epic CL+1 Spell focus Transmu+10 spell lvl= 33
So maybe my entropic husk is missing the epic spell focus conju and i have no idea what is going on with my greater ruin.
Please post your PC classes/feats related to CL and DC, also, int score (buffed/unbuffed). It's hard to do calculations without clear info on what you have.
My gnome is a WIzard 23/Thau 5
Lvl 28(+2 epic CL bonus) and 28 Int (+9 mod) the moment i posted here.
Spell Affinity: Illusion (+1 DC illu spells)
Epic spell focus: Conjuration ( +3 DC Conju spells)
Greater Spell Focus: Illusion (+2 DC Illu spells)
Spell focus: Transmutation (+1 DC Transmutation spells)
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 4:44 am
by EasternCheesE
Reproduced.
I made a fix for gnomish illusions (will go live next update), second part is a bit trickier.
Speaking of epic spells, i will consult with Rhifox, i found few things that can potentially affect DCs.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 pm
by Dolorof
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:44 am
Reproduced.
I made a fix for gnomish illusions (will go live next update), second part is a bit trickier.
Speaking of epic spells, i will consult with Rhifox, i found few things that can potentially affect DCs.
This is great news!
And yes, i think i know what you mean. My Greater Ruin DC is now 32(its the correct number) but my entropic husk is still only 32, so the fix for it i still not working, at least for my PC.
Thanks for looking into the gnome feat tho, it was very impportant for Ezrel
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 1:45 pm
by EasternCheesE
dolorof wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 pm
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:44 am
Reproduced.
I made a fix for gnomish illusions (will go live next update), second part is a bit trickier.
Speaking of epic spells, i will consult with Rhifox, i found few things that can potentially affect DCs.
This is great news!
And yes, i think i know what you mean. My Greater Ruin DC is now 32(its the correct number) but my entropic husk is still only 32, so the fix for it i still not working, at least for my PC.
Thanks for looking into the gnome feat tho, it was very impportant for Ezrel
Oh. Neither of fixes should be in action yet since there was no update.
As of husk, the main issue with it is that spell is marked as evocation while description says it's conjuration. I asked Rhifox to revise what it should be.
So, overall, things work correct (without bugs), it's just spell having school mismatch in code/description.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 2:25 pm
by Dolorof
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:45 pm
dolorof wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:31 pm
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 4:44 am
Reproduced.
I made a fix for gnomish illusions (will go live next update), second part is a bit trickier.
Speaking of epic spells, i will consult with Rhifox, i found few things that can potentially affect DCs.
This is great news!
And yes, i think i know what you mean. My Greater Ruin DC is now 32(its the correct number) but my entropic husk is still only 32, so the fix for it i still not working, at least for my PC.
Thanks for looking into the gnome feat tho, it was very impportant for Ezrel
Oh. Neither of fixes should be in action yet since there was no update.
As of husk, the main issue with it is that spell is marked as evocation while description says it's conjuration. I asked Rhifox to revise what it should be.
So, overall, things work correct (without bugs), it's just spell having school mismatch in code/description.
Hmm i also have a belt that grants me Spell focus evocation (so its not a feat that i've chose through lvl up), it does not seem to be adding its +1 DC to the wrongly marked evocation entropic husk, could be worth checking it as well.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 2:48 pm
by Rhifox
dolorof wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:25 pmHmm i also have a belt that grants me Spell focus evocation (so its not a feat that i've chose through lvl up), it does not seem to be adding its +1 DC to the wrongly marked evocation entropic husk, could be worth checking it as well.
Entropic Husk isn't wrongly marked. It's set to Conjuration. Ruin is the one that's incorrectly set to Evocation.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 2:53 pm
by Dolorof
Rhifox wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:48 pm
dolorof wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:25 pmHmm i also have a belt that grants me Spell focus evocation (so its not a feat that i've chose through lvl up), it does not seem to be adding its +1 DC to the wrongly marked evocation entropic husk, could be worth checking it as well.
Entropic Husk isn't wrongly marked. It's set to Conjuration. Ruin is the one that's incorrectly set to Evocation.
hmm i said it based on what was said on the previous post, in any case i don't see any difference in DC by equipping or unequipping the belt (spell focus evocation belt) So there may be something else in play here. Also if the changes were not yet implemented what could have lowered my greater ruin DC? Its odd.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:25 pm
by Dolorof
Hey
As a quick update for the entropic husk spell, this is a screenshot of my last test with it.
The correct DC should be 34 right now, for this PC.
The most common DC rolled seems to be 31 for some reason, i was surprised to see it changing so much.
Re: Gnome Spell DC and Epic spell problems
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:26 pm
by Dolorof
Everything is fixed!
Thanks for the time and effort.