Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

A spell designed specifically to allow a player to take an amount of XP from another WILLING player that does not have the caster's IP Address. Used for RP to facilitate exchanges between players where the currency is a portion of the buyer's soul rather than gold without requiring a dm present. Every time the spell is cast, details will be logged to the server for admin examination if necessary, those details being the caster, the target, the amount of XP taken from the target, and if possible any item exchanges that take place within 5 minutes of the spell between either party.

OP, oft-edited New Proposal, more concisely written:

Spell is 8th level Wizard/Sorc, Cleric/Favoured Soul (evil deities only), 4th (Dark Invocation) Warlock (evil patrons only)
The spell cannot be cast more than once per rest period no matter how many times you memorize it.
Duration: Special, summoned devil remains until dialog with it is completed or until the caster leaves the area
Target: None, it's a non-combat summon.

When the spell is cast, a devil appears who is a completely neutral faction, ie, non-hostile to everything. You cannot use it to beat up mobs. This devil takes one of your summon slots. Whoever will be giving up XP talks to the devil.


If character talking to devil is under any kind of mind affecting spell such as Charm, etc: {
D: "I can only deal with those who are acting of their own free will." End dialog
} else if character under level 5 {
D: "Sorry, come back when you've experienced a bit more of the world, you're barely a morsel." End dialog.
} else {
D: "Greetings! *smiles wolfishly* You wish to give up a portion of your soul?"
options:
if "No" {
"I will be here if you change your mind" End dialog.
} else if "Yes" {
"Good! *rubs his hands together in anticipation* I will extract a portion of your soul into a crystal shard. Break it to gain back that portion of your soul, minus a 20% fee for my trouble. Or give it to someone else to break and they will gain that energy. Minus, of course, my 20% fee. How much of your soul do you wish to part with? [Speak how many experience points you wish to lose. Maximum is
${enough xp to drop them to the beginning of their next lower level, or 10,000, whichever number is lower}, minimum is 1000}
(Player speaks amount)
if player speaks non-integer {
"I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that." Repeats above
} else, if valid number within stated range {
Player loses stated amount of XP, gains an inventory item "Soul Shard". Description: A soul shard worth ${amount of lost XP * 0.8}. Unique ability self only single use: using it grants 80% of lost XP to whomever uses it.
D: "*eyes glow more brightly red and a satisfied smile appears on his lips* Pleasure doing business with you, mortal.

Summoned devil disappears after above transaction.

Now the player who lost xp has an item that grants 80% of the lost xp, just once, to whomever uses it. It is destroyed when used. They may use it themselves if they've changed their mind or they may trade it to someone else via normal barter window. XP gained by use should not be affected by ECL or by multiclass penalty. It should also be un-stealable and unsellable (including via Mudd). In-person barter window should be only method of transaction.

Optional:
Casting of the spell requires DM or admin permission each time it is cast to prevent some 0 ECL character with 528k xp running an XP business. It should be possible for a flag on the character to be set on or off, like the flag that allows restricted PrCs. Flag is off by default. Casting spell requires it to be on and the spell turns it back off again after cast. That way abuse can be prevented without dealing with scheduling conflicts between DMs and players.

This most certainly would need a DM involved.

Aspect of Sorrow wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:40 am This most certainly would need a DM involved.

... So I'm not the only one who thought that?

Phew, I can comment now.

I don't think it would be necessarily need a DM involved IF there is sufficient logging. Besides, this game is old and the vast majority of the players are adults. Think we ought to be treated like it. But whatever. DM or no DM it would be neat.

I mean, sounds fun, but that can be already done with some creativity. I can think of Greater Planar Binding or Gate to summon the fiend, the Fog Cloud to do the smoke if you're really into it, and the Experience Remover in Nexus. I can't think of a single PC on the server I would like to have that kind of power, but I can think of how much XP selling we'd see on the server.

For the record, my guess would be 1:2 XP to gold ratio for a sale on such system.

Louvaine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:45 pm I mean, sounds fun, but that can be already done with some creativity. I can think of Greater Planar Binding or Gate to summon the fiend, the Fog Cloud to do the smoke if you're really into it, and the Experience Remover in Nexus. I can't think of a single PC on the server I would like to have that kind of power, but I can think of how much XP selling we'd see on the server.

For the record, my guess would be 1:2 XP to gold ratio for a sale on such system.

Well, as to any PC having that power, you have to remember that the target, or "donor" has to agree to it in order for it to work. They not only have to agree to it, but they have to initiate a convo with a devil npc, agree to the dialog (probably with an "are you sure?" 2nd chance in the dialog, an NOT have any mind-affecting spells on the character.

I would never suggest a spell that can take XP from an unwilling pc. And I think not having to cast multiple spells to do this and go to the nexus afterwards would be fun. Make the spell require DM oversight if you want, but I personally think most people here are adults and don't need to be baby-sat.

ALTERNATELY......

Check this:

When the "donor" PC agrees to it, they get an item synced to them and only them that has stored the lost xp, if they activate it themselves the get the xp back. If someone else activates it, that person gets 1/2 that xp and the rest is lost (it goes to the devil). THAT way the "donor" can give this item over to the caster, or seller, in a normal barter window and thereby make sure they get whatever item they bargained for.

OP updated

What stops me from creating a new toon designed to grind to level 20-21 on wyverns (which are ridiculous for XP!) and constantly be selling the XP to caster classes who level slower? Better yet, what stops me from using this as 20% RCR tool me and my buddy will conduct?

You can put more and more limitations, but the very idea of it, not matter how cool, is way too easy to exploit. Hence, there can be no gain for the caster. And then, you might as well just use Experience Remover on your next visit to Nexus.

Louvaine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:03 pm What stops me from creating a new toon designed to grind to level 20-21 on wyverns (which are ridiculous for XP!) and constantly be selling the XP to caster classes who level slower? Better yet, what stops me from using this as 20% RCR tool me and my buddy will conduct?

You can put more and more limitations, but the very idea of it, not matter how cool, is way too easy to exploit. Hence, there can be no gain for the caster. And then, you might as well just use Experience Remover on your next visit to Nexus.

You didn't finish reading, obviously. I had thought of that and included the idea that the caster would have to apply to be allowed to cast the spell.

Me wrote: Optional:
Casting of the spell requires DM or admin permission each time it is cast to prevent some 0 ECL character with 528k xp running an XP business. It should be possible for a flag on the character to be set on or off, like the flag that allows restricted PrCs. Flag is off by default. Casting spell requires it to be on and the spell turns it back off again after cast. That way abuse can be prevented without dealing with scheduling conflicts between DMs and players.

And last I checked the XP remover didn't give the taken xp to anyone else, so how exactly would one character sell something to another for xp?

You're right, I totally missed that part.

You can't sell XP removed by Experience Remover, making it the easiest option to remove XP. No IC Devil to show up and have dialogue with, though.