Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Avoiding the other flaws of the true name system, of which there are many, the fact that you spend millions of gold buying dusty tomes to get the one name you're looking for only for it to last 6s per CL (Gate) is incredibly insulting.

Rant over.

Thaumaturge PrC provides extended summoning for the Gate spell, Epic Gate as well.

Yes, but the one I found is highly specific to my PC. It is what it is, just sad is all.

Thaumaturge PrC provides extended summoning for the Gate spell, Epic Gate as well.it most have been change it souldt only give the summoing under epic and gate not those feats so their no point

Rinzler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:27 pm Yes, but the one I found is highly specific to my PC. It is what it is, just sad is all.

Does your build have Thaum in it?

They aren't true names, as that would give you absolute control over them.

Anyways, if the Gate and Epic Gate named summons lasted any longer, they'd be far too powerful.

and then there will be no reason to use the others summon tha tis low dc so yes their most not be to powerfull

Steve wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:23 am

Rinzler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:27 pm Yes, but the one I found is highly specific to my PC. It is what it is, just sad is all.

Does your build have Thaum in it?

Nope.

Rinzler wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:27 pm Yes, but the one I found is highly specific to my PC. It is what it is, just sad is all.

If the intent is more for RP use, yes the amount of time is unfortunate but there are reasons for it as well. But if its just to be used in RP, keep scrolls on you for extra casts or slot more epic gates if in an RP scenario. Then I would just tell those you are RPing with that sorry have to recast but the Named Summon is still here. Most ppl are understanding of that. If its also during combat I fall back to the scroll use.

Ghost wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:36 am Anyways, if the Gate and Epic Gate named summons lasted any longer, they'd be far too powerful.

A mechanism that would be obviously more complex would be to have two forms of the spell, as mentioned in the spell:

A controlled creature can be commanded to perform a service for you. Such services fall into two categories: immediate tasks and contractual service. Fighting for you in a single battle or taking any other actions that can be accomplished within 1 round per caster level counts as an immediate task; you need not make any agreement or pay any reward for the creature’s help. The creature departs at the end of the spell.

If you choose to exact a longer or more involved form of service from a called creature, you must offer some fair trade in return for that service.
https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/gate.htm

Have a round/level that works in combat, and a minute/level that cancels as soon as combat is entered (or is otherwise pacified against combat).
As far as I was aware, part of the binding ritual represented the negotiations of service, so there need not be any additional cost for the RP-duration; but could be a reason to limit the longer RP-duration to named-summons only (which would strongly advocate an increase to more than 60 named-summons).

A more complicated form would be having it be minute/level until combat was entered and then convert down to round-level, but a 2-phase selection would be more true to the P&P variation.

I like this idea ^