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Athkatlan Triparite not correct with shield bash & TWF
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:26 am
by Green Monster
Athkatlan Triparite is not recognizing attacks from shield bash. My main character has a BAB of 26, therefore 6 attacks per round, and also has Perfect Two Weapon Fighting, which gives her three shield bashes. Activating Athkatlan Triparite while a shield is equipped and shield bash is active only gives her +3 ac. It should be +4.
TWF details: She has Two Weapon Style from Ranger, then ITWF, GTWF, and PTWF purchased in the normal way.
Re: Athkatlan Triparite not correct with shield bash & TWF
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 5:34 pm
by YourMoveHolyMan
Can confirm this - it worked last year and somewhere between last year and this past June it stopped working.
Re: Athkatlan Triparite not correct with shield bash & TWF
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:57 pm
by EasternCheesE
Hi there. It's not actually a bug, but an edit I made in Feb. It's hard to remember whole story behind it, but I remember people complained that while having shield bash on and using Northlander hewing, they were losing way too many attacks on mainhand if they got TWF feats.
It seems it was a hasty decision to fix the bug without accounting all the consequences. Thank you for reporting it.
Sstaff will discuss whether shield bash should be accounted for AT, NH and other attack-related modes and, if yes, if it should reduce amount of shield bashes instead of mainhand attacks.
Just to clarify:
Normally, we cannot affect offhand attacks anyhow because game scripting language doesn't provide any functions for it. So, someone with 2 scimitars using northlander hewing would always get their mainhand attacks quantity reduced (and, in case of 26 bab PTWF they would get 2 mainhand attacks and 6 offhand attacks). Shield bash is a 100% custom mechanics we have control over, thus, in this case, it's possible to deduct in proper fashion.
Re: Athkatlan Triparite not correct with shield bash & TWF
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:44 am
by Green Monster
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:57 pm
Hi there. It's not actually a bug, but an edit I made in Feb. It's hard to remember whole story behind it, but I remember people complained that while having shield bash on and using Northlander hewing, they were losing way too many attacks on mainhand if they got TWF feats.
It seems it was a hasty decision to fix the bug without accounting all the consequences. Thank you for reporting it.
Sstaff will discuss whether shield bash should be accounted for AT, NH and other attack-related modes and, if yes, if it should reduce amount of shield bashes instead of mainhand attacks.
Just to clarify:
Normally, we cannot affect offhand attacks anyhow because game scripting language doesn't provide any functions for it. So, someone with 2 scimitars using northlander hewing would always get their mainhand attacks quantity reduced (and, in case of 26 bab PTWF they would get 2 mainhand attacks and 6 offhand attacks). Shield bash is a 100% custom mechanics we have control over, thus, in this case, it's possible to deduct in proper fashion.
I think taking attacks away from shield bash instead of the main hand would be OP.