Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

100% RCR for sale. Say..... 20 bucks? I hate "Pay to Win" so I would NEVER suggest there EVER be uber gear for sale, but I think allowing people to pay some real money to fix their own messed up / unsatisfactory builds without losing 50% xp would be nice. I have 2 I would pay to fix right now.

Or are there legal issues with selling a feature?

People with extra money can fix their toons as often as they want but people struggling to keep their heads above water can choose to fix their character or eat.

Nope. Not fair.

Tekill wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 2:41 pm People with extra money can fix their toons as often as they want but people struggling to keep their heads above water can choose to fix their character or eat.

Nope. Not fair.

Yeah, but life's not fair, and I say that as someone who's currently barely employed. Might as well say "People good at game mechanics don't need to fix their characters, but people who aren't so good at it do. Not fair."

And we're talking about less than the cost of a movie ticket, and there could always be a per account limit per year. Or something. But really, what's the big deal if someone 100% RCR'ed the same character 100x? Who does that hurt? Especially if it serves as an incentive to get some money into the pockets of the devs who devote a lot of time and effort to this server without pay. I mean, I'm donating 5 bucks a month right now because that's all that I can 100% be sure to commit to, but I could eat out a couple times fewer this month to RCR 2 of my lvl 30s to fix some mistakes I made.

I enjoy life better when I see people putting in effort to make life fair for everyone. Life is not fair but this a game, not life, and therefore we can try and make it fair.

"People good at game mechanics don't need to fix their characters, but people who aren't so good at it do. Not fair."

We do not need to make something that is a bit unfair by making even more unfair by putting price tags on it.
Also, getting good at the mechanics is sort of the purpose/objective of the game...we play games to challenge us to get good at them. Pay to win ruins this point/objective because it gives people with money an advantage over people without money.

what's the big deal if someone 100% RCR'ed the same character 100x? Who does that hurt?

It is not a big deal. But what is a big deal to me is when you make it so that not everyone has the same access to a feature. Why not just make RCR more available to everyone (at least for the purpose of correcting builds)?

Not Fair.
Good try though!
Better luck on your next suggestion.

The whole discussion is moot: We cannot and will not sell things like that.

What about 2 million gold coins (IG that is!)?

Even a (do-me) up build can grind out 2 million rather quickly…likely quicker than regaining 10 Epic Levels by grinding.

While I oppose grinding in principle on an RP Server, the fact is the Server literally developed itself to BE a Server where gains are ground out (literally, Staff has said “Do This” multiple times over the years). And if one is forced to grind a limited amount of XP (CR throttled), I’d rather see also an unthrottled coin grind option.

DaloLorn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:14 pm The whole discussion is moot: We cannot and will not sell things like that.

I mean, the suggestion has come up several times staff side, and is an open question.

I, personally, see no reason why not. We need to get gold out of the economy, and this kind of gold sink especially targets grinders and looters, who tend to be the people with the most gold on hand and nothing that they are spending it on.

Rhifox wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:21 pm

DaloLorn wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:14 pm The whole discussion is moot: We cannot and will not sell things like that.

I mean, the suggestion has come up several times staff side, and is an open question.

I, personally, see no reason why not. We need to get gold out of the economy, and this kind of gold sink especially targets grinders and looters, who tend to be the people with the most gold on hand and nothing that they are spending it on.

My only issue with adding this is that it may further encourage grinding over RP. Right now, there's limited reasons to grind (off the top of my head, I think getting BiS gear and housing as the only real reasons, but others might have more reasons.) If we added this type of thing in, people would have unlimited gold sink, meaning there's unlimited reason to grind.

Speaking to me personally, I hate grinding (in this game). But if there's this valuable a carrot to it, I could see myself going out on grinding runs to attain said carrot.

If Players do not enjoy the process of experience both IC and OOC from going Level 1 to Level 30, I can understand it. I very much enjoy that progression experience. It has added value beyond just the players personal enjoyment.

Nonetheless, grinding one lvl 30 toon is the same as any other, and if a player would choose to stay on BG because they could flip their PC build for another time sans XP tax but for an IC/IG fee, it doesn’t make any practical difference.

If one would wish to put a limit on it then, in order to preserve the magical RP of Things (RoT), then make it only possible to keep the same PC name/character/Race/etc. kinda like a locked DM Item but for PCs.

Or, consider the 2 million coin fee the cost of a Wish spell?!?

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

But yeah, I do agree with Dalo that it should not involve RL money at all.

A bit off topic, but 2 Million is too high.
By the time I save 2 Million, I could level a character from 1 to 30 (maybe twice over).
At 1400 gold a pop, to make 2 Mil, I would have to find and sell 1,429 decent magic items.
Grind 1429 treasure chests, just so I can RCR that my character so that I can take one feat instead of another?
Craziness!

How about, I give you 500K just Just let me rebuild the exact same character including appearance, name and classes, but allow me to change the number of levels in a class, the skills, attributes and feats if I want to.
Even 500k is too much imo.
EXAMPLE: I built a ranged archer/sniper character and I took combat expertise not realizing it does not work with ranged weapons. I would swap it out for another feat, maybe epic prowess. Am I really going to want to save up 2 million gold to do this?
I would spend 500k I suppose, after I am fully geared.

I don't think a 2mm fee RCR would be helpful for the inexperienced players as the original poster touched upon. New players will likely be broke yet most likely to make this sort of error.
Nobody wants to play a broken build, especially long enough to make 2 million gold.
What about scatter brains like me with many alts. I have never had a character with 2 million gold in the entire time I have played this game. Do I mule together all the gold from all my toons to pool together enough to rcr the one that is broken?

Maybe charge 2 million to players who want to RCR into a totally new character. I think that would be a good idea.
But for repairs and tweaks, I think the price should be much lower. I wonder why we would be so mean to charge at all in this situation?
Thats right, your all mean!

No amount of gold is too high for free XP. Big no-no.

Steve wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:03 pmBut yeah, I do agree with Dalo that it should not involve RL money at all.

Oh I didn't even realize this was suggesting for RL money. I thought the discussion was over IG gold.

Absolutely no chance of any RL money goods.

Rhifox wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:59 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:03 pmBut yeah, I do agree with Dalo that it should not involve RL money at all.

Oh I didn't even realize this was suggesting for RL money. I thought the discussion was over IG gold.

Absolutely no chance of any RL money goods.

No, no, I meant real world money but not for any goods, ever, at all. Just the service of an 100% rcr. Real world money for in game goods is just "pay to win" and I hate that with a passion. I do not see any problem with "pay to fix my own mechanical mess up", though

Edit to say: I'm also fine with 100% RCR being an in-game cost of 1 million gold, but I didn't think of it because the thought of doing in IC, in-game action, ie, raising that amount, for an OOC mechanical outcome like 100% rcr just didn't occur to me.

Basically I have 2 lvl 30s that I messed up. One I gave a clerical domain to that I would have been better off going with a different one, the other is a tiefling build with a multi-class penalty that is not great and would like to rebuild, but it took SO LONG to get an ECL char suffering a -25% xp penalty to lvl 30 that I would really rather pay real money than have to do that again.

I kid you not, 5 mil is too cheap. Maybe 10 mil, but at this point... what's the point?

Louvaine wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:15 pm I kid you not, 5 mil is too cheap. Maybe 10 mil, but at this point... what's the point?

THAT depends upon how long you've played on the server. 10 million is too cheap for someone whose lvl 30 character has been around for a decade and run out of things they can even buy. 1 million is too expensive for someone who's just now reached level 30 and realized they've messed up. Please don't make absolute statements about a topic that is clearly relative.

"Only the Sith deal in absolutes", said Obi-Wan, making an absolute statement.