Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Should Teiflings have different starting bonuses to represent the different blood lines they might have?

Perhaps different versions of bonuses?
+2 int +2 dex -2 char

+2 str +2 con -2 wis

+2 cha +2 dex -2 con

ect?

Tieflings in 3.5 have an established set of racial traits, which they already have on the server. Any difference between bloodlines is entirely aesthetic differences, rather than anything that affects their statistics.

Rhifox wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:23 pm Tieflings in 3.5 have an established set of racial traits, which they already have on the server. Any difference between bloodlines is entirely aesthetic differences, rather than anything that affects their statistics.

Would the staff ever consider giving Humans the pathfinder treatment of +2 to any ability score?
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/human

It would have the nice benefit of not having half the server descended from outsiders just to get racial bonuses.

Hullack wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:22 am

Rhifox wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:23 pm Tieflings in 3.5 have an established set of racial traits, which they already have on the server. Any difference between bloodlines is entirely aesthetic differences, rather than anything that affects their statistics.

Would the staff ever consider giving Humans the pathfinder treatment of +2 to any ability score?
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/human

It would have the nice benefit of not having half the server descended from outsiders just to get racial bonuses.

While I would personally like having a +2 bonus, I'm not sure human is considered a weak option right now? Though I do agree, it certainly would be nice to encourage less people rolling tieflings/aasimar, and that could be a way of doing it without nerfing those two races.

I personally wouldn't consider human a weak option, but it is a bit restricting depending on class. To get some things for druid as a human that you can easily get as an Aasimar, for instance, takes a couple epic feats (I took two Great Wisdom feats), and/or you have to "dump stat" harder. I personally am not unhappy with my human-built druid (as druids are decently powerful, anyway), but I absolutely wouldn't mind getting those two epic feats back that Aasimar don't have to take.

I do realize there is a trade-off with humans getting an extra skill point, and a bonus feat at first level. So, I don't think that the +2 to a stat is necessary, but if it's not overpowered, I think it would be nice.

Kk! No problem! Only hoped to make a sorc tiefling Damn charisma de buff! =^^= and ewww humans yuck! Hehe i get it some like to be the human in the magix world!=^^=

RoseMiriel wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 1:11 pm Kk! No problem! Only hoped to make a sorc tiefling Damn charisma de buff! =^^=

Nothing stopping you! Tieflings just have a little bit more challenge being sorcerers... they've been put down their entire lives, and having to be ever worried about their evil blood and what it might make them do, that they have insecurity issues.

Just because a race has a negative to a stat, doesn't mean it can't be that class, or even perform well at it. Especially when the bonus to other stats in this case are not bad bonuses to have for other aspects of the character. And choosing to take a class despite having penalty will ensure you're playing something few other people are, which makes you unique.

I do love the odd builds that tend to get my butt kicked lols!=^^=

Rhifox wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:50 am

Hullack wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:22 am

Rhifox wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:23 pm Tieflings in 3.5 have an established set of racial traits, which they already have on the server. Any difference between bloodlines is entirely aesthetic differences, rather than anything that affects their statistics.

Would the staff ever consider giving Humans the pathfinder treatment of +2 to any ability score?
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/human

It would have the nice benefit of not having half the server descended from outsiders just to get racial bonuses.

While I would personally like having a +2 bonus, I'm not sure human is considered a weak option right now? Though I do agree, it certainly would be nice to encourage less people rolling tieflings/aasimar, and that could be a way of doing it without nerfing those two races.

Could always make a human “sub race” that lets it pick +2 to any stat instead of the bonus feat and skill points. So people who like current humans can keep them and others can pick the pathfinder version. More humans that way I’d bet.

Tanlaus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:31 pm

Rhifox wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:50 am

Hullack wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:22 am

Would the staff ever consider giving Humans the pathfinder treatment of +2 to any ability score?
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/human

It would have the nice benefit of not having half the server descended from outsiders just to get racial bonuses.

While I would personally like having a +2 bonus, I'm not sure human is considered a weak option right now? Though I do agree, it certainly would be nice to encourage less people rolling tieflings/aasimar, and that could be a way of doing it without nerfing those two races.

Could always make a human “sub race” that lets it pick +2 to any stat instead of the bonus feat and skill points. So people who like current humans can keep them and others can pick the pathfinder version. More humans that way I’d bet.

The Pathfinder version is the bonus feat, skill points, and the +2.

Rhifox wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 3:06 pm

Tanlaus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:31 pm

Rhifox wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:50 am

While I would personally like having a +2 bonus, I'm not sure human is considered a weak option right now? Though I do agree, it certainly would be nice to encourage less people rolling tieflings/aasimar, and that could be a way of doing it without nerfing those two races.

Could always make a human “sub race” that lets it pick +2 to any stat instead of the bonus feat and skill points. So people who like current humans can keep them and others can pick the pathfinder version. More humans that way I’d bet.

The Pathfinder version is the bonus feat, skill points, and the +2.

Lol.... yeah that's a lot. I'd tone it down to one or the other. If it were me. But's it's not me so whatever

I do see the value of giving people an option that doesn't push them towards Aasamir or tieflings though.

Human is very situational. You only pick it if you're feat starved or need to nullify XP penalty.

Otherwise, a +2 to stats equals 2 epic feats. It's not a good trade off for 33 skill points (which is kinda like +2 INT, but not really) and a level 1 feat. Doesn't come close to a +4 from Aasimar and Tiefling.

Personally, I would love to see human bumped up a bit to see more of them.

Louvaine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 12:43 pm Human is very situational. You only pick it if you're feat starved or need to nullify XP penalty.

Otherwise, a +2 to stats equals 2 epic feats. It's not a good trade off for 33 skill points (which is kinda like +2 INT, but not really) and a level 1 feat. Doesn't come close to a +4 from Aasimar and Tiefling.

Personally, I would love to see human bumped up a bit to see more of them.

For builds that need a lot of feats but don't necessarily need to max out stats I see current humans as generally superior.

Comparing to Aasimir is kind of tricky because that is the only race that gets two bonus stats and no negatives. Compared to genasi for example, humans in general are far superior mechanically minus tank builds for Earth genasi. Air genasi are not terrible but are mechanically inferior to tieflings for most builds their stat breakdown helps with.

I mean, it's all hypothetical but giving current bonuses on top of a +2 stat just makes all other non-ECL races inferior by a pretty large margin. IIRC in Pathfinder races like elves, dwarves and halflings get 2 +2 stats and 1 -2 stat. So they're essentially 3.5 ECL +1 races from the get go.

In the hypothetical world where I'm king of the server I don't think I'd redo all races to gave pathfinder stats because it would be a pretty big boost that would need to be rebalanced around.

I would like to point out that... we're not actually playing Pathfinder either.

Some races I know, like half orc and half elves have been altered because their base 3.5 traits are utter trash, so that's a thing. But really, IMO, if you're going to use "In pathfinder they..." as a justification for a major change, go play Pathfinder.

While I play a human and would LOVE another +2 to a stat because reasons and make it so there are more humans in the human dominated (by lore) nations area we are playing in, I agree it would have a great potential to completely further unbalance our already fairly unbalanced set up while the staff has been working massive hours to get the balance back towards middle. That has the potential to just... make them have to start over.

but again, I'm not the Devs, so up to them.

Aasimar having no negatives is what kills playing human.