Hideous Blow DC

[sinopip]

I wonder why, it worked okay like a year ago, the DC of Hideous Blow is now 11 + CHA modifier? Sometimes even the DC is 1. I noticed too that if you do a ranged Eldritch Blast is messed too and seems like a random (for instance with 9d6 Blast and CHA mod of +3, then DC is 16??).

[Steve]

I wonder why, it worked okay like a year ago, the DC of Hideous Blow is now 11 + CHA modifier? Sometimes even the DC is 1. I noticed too that if you do a ranged Eldritch Blast is messed too and seems like a random (for instance with 9d6 Blast and CHA mod of +3, then DC is 16??).

Eldritch Blast and/or Hideous Blow themselves to not have a Saving Throw, but are defended against by Spell Resistance.

Are you placing an additional effect on the blast?

If it has an additional effect that applies a save, your Charisma modifier will be applied to the DC.

https://nwn2.fandom.com/wiki/Eldritch_blast

[sinopip]

I tried the different Elemental Blasts and Forbidding Blast. All at DC 11 + CHA. Ranged, it is DC 10 + (Eldritch Blast dice) + CHA.

[Steve]

I tried the different Elemental Blasts and Forbidding Blast. All at DC 11 + CHA. Ranged, it is DC 10 + (Eldritch Blast dice) + CHA.

Forbidding Blast IS one of these extra effects!

https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title ... ding_Blast

Just try using a plain Eldritch Blast (or Eldritch Spear) or plain Hideous Blow. There should be no Save/DC at all.

[sinopip]

What I meant is that the Eldritch Blast or Hideous Blow always make full damage without save, BUT the secondary (for Hideous Blow) effect has its DC... nerfed?

[Lockonnow]

yes it have been nerfed

[Steve]

What I meant is that the Eldritch Blast or Hideous Blow always make full damage without save, BUT the secondary (for Hideous Blow) effect has its DC... nerfed?

Supposedly:

Each invocation has an equivalent spell level (ESL) to determine the save DC (if it allows a save) and the required power to dispel it. If both a shape and an essence are applied to an Eldritch Blast, the ESL of the Eldritch Blast is the higher ESL of the eldritch blast, shape or essence. The ESL of an eldritch blast is x, where x is determined by the blast damage of the Warlock (xd6).

The save DC of any invocation is 10 + equivalent spell level + Warlock's Charisma modifier.

So there is a difference if it is a Blast or an Invocation. So if Elemental Blast is ESL 4, but your Character has 5d6 Eldritch Blasts, it should take a 5 over the 4, for calculating the DC of the Elemental Blast.

But maybe currently it isn't doing this correctly. Something Rhifox would know more about, since they redid Warlock not-so-recently.

[sinopip]

A new thing I've noticed. When I cast Eldritch Chain with Forbidding Blast, sometimes the DC is my normal 22, sometimes it's DC 14... something's really wrong here.

[Lockonnow]

I cant change with my elementals it is not woeking anymore

[sinopip]

I tried changing Elemental Blasts and it works... more or less. When I'm casting a Spear Blast with Elemental, it sometimes triggers the Vitriolic of my readied Hideous Blow.

[SandTrout]

Posting partially to bump this issue with a consolidated description of the issue.

Issue: Hideous Blow is using an incorrect DC calculation when used in conjunction with an essence that triggers a DC check (Example: Beshadowed Blast)

Expected DC Calculation: 10 + [higher of Shape Innate Spell Level or Essence Innate Spell Level] + Charisma Modifier

Acctual DC Calculation: 10 + 1 (Hideous Blow Innate spell level) + Charisma Modifier

Specific example:
My character is using Hideous Blow with the Beshadowed Blast essence and a +2 Charisma Modifier.

The Fortitude Save DC is currently 13 when it should be 16.

Edit: I did some testing in the testing module, and if you cast a standard or other shaped blast, and then immediately make an attack that triggers Hideous Blow, that instance of HB will trigger the correct DC.