Spell focus Abjuration/dispel magic suggestion

[blixen71]

Dispel magic is very well implemented on the server, and casters must be aware also against monsters. This is very good I think. But I want the casters to be able to do something about it. What if we include spell focus abjuration in the dispel formula. That would let the casters be better dispellers/resist dispel on the cost of investing in feats. I have played on servers where this was implemented and it was a great success.

Lets take greater dispel magic as an example. The modified formula on BGTSCC caster vs target is:
1d20+casterlevel(max 20) vs 11+casterlevels right.

Here is what i suggest or something like this at least. Spell focus abj. gives +1 on your side, greater spell focus abj.another +1 and finally epic spell focus abj. another +2 on your side of the equation. Like this:
1d20+casterlevels(max 20)+feats(max 4) vs 11+casterlevels+feats(max 4)

What do you guys think of this. I thnk it would be great

[dzidek1983]

gishes that can't be dispelled

oh god

gishes have seldom a high caster lvl due to dips into fighter/paladin etc.
i don't think it would really make them stronger...

only a really dedicated abjurer would profit

[blixen71]

The point is gishes will loose on other fronts if they take 3 abj focus feats. They will actually be weaker against non casters, as the dispel is a non issue if they fight. They will only be stronger vs other casters. There is no meaning in non casters to dislike this consept. And they can still be dispelled by mages and other gishes with abj focus. I cant see any drawbacks here.

[mute83]

The point is gishes will loose on other fronts if they take 3 abj focus feats. They will actually be weaker against non casters, as the dispel is a non issue if they fight. They will only be stronger vs other casters. There is no meaning in non casters to dislike this consept. And they can still be dispelled by mages and other gishes with abj focus. I cant see any drawbacks here.

because you cant see them, dosnt mean they arent there im not saying i can either, and i dont feel like thinking about it now

[Bulldog241]

gishes that can't be dispelled

oh god

Eh.....maybe I'm missing something here, but how would that make dispelling harder? It would make dispells stronger, not weaker. Meaning gishes are more likely to be dispelled. There's nothing in what he suggested that would make anybody more likely to resist a dispell.

What he suggested is being able to take feats to improve your dispell, not improve your resistance to dispells.

[blixen71]

gishes that can't be dispelled

oh god

Eh.....maybe I'm missing something here, but how would that make dispelling harder? It would make dispells stronger, not weaker. Meaning gishes are more likely to be dispelled. There's nothing in what he suggested that would make anybody more likely to resist a dispell.

What he suggested is being able to take feats to improve your dispell, not improve your resistance to dispells.

No, I suggest that if you take theses feat(s), it will add a modifier on your side of the equation. That means you will be more resistant against dispells and a better dispeller against any caster you face that does not have the feat(s).

[c2k]

You can't really dispel all of monster's buffs without Mordenkainen's Disjunction or the warlock dispels because that function only works on friendly targets, not hostile ones.

As for messing with dispel's formula, you would have to overwrite the hardcode.

[blixen71]

You can't really dispel all of monster's buffs without Mordenkainen's Disjunction or the warlock dispels because that function only works on friendly targets, not hostile ones.

As for messing with dispel's formula, you would have to overwrite the hardcode.

Well BGTSCC developers have already messed with it so that cannot be a problem.

[Kaedrin]

Subradials for dispels are on my to-do list for this server. I'm going to be streamlining it into two options instead of the three available in my pack.

Hostile, Friendly

If you target the ground it becomes the AE version.
If you target an object it becomes the single target version.

This is for lesser, (standard), greater, and mord's.

[Bulldog241]

No, I suggest that if you take theses feat(s), it will add a modifier on your side of the equation. That means you will be more resistant against dispells and a better dispeller against any caster you face that does not have the feat(s).

D'oh!! I missed that, my bad.

I'm not sure why you'd want to wrap both up into one feat though. There is a "spell defense" feat for each school. Why not have spell focus just add 1 point to the offensive side, and spell defense add 1 point to the defensive side?

[blixen71]

No, I suggest that if you take theses feat(s), it will add a modifier on your side of the equation. That means you will be more resistant against dispells and a better dispeller against any caster you face that does not have the feat(s).

D'oh!! I missed that, my bad.

I'm not sure why you'd want to wrap both up into one feat though. There is a "spell defense" feat for each school. Why not have spell focus just add 1 point to the offensive side, and spell defense add 1 point to the defensive side?

That sounds even better and logical. Spell focus to be a better dispeller and spell defence to get a better resister

[Kaedrin]

Player's Handbook II has a feat called Elven Spell Lore (Int 17 or Elf race, which we can't do so Int 17 for all) which adds +2 to dispel checks (above and beyond any cap).