New guild planning

[raetin]

mmm Yummy spiders

That... that is... hilarious.

[Side]

mmm Yummy spiders

That... that is... hilarious.

Best reason for Mori to kill someone, ever.

[Stricker9313]

Alright so this is what i have so far....
The guild would RP as a secretive type of brotherhood (for lack of a better term) that is open to all races in the Underdark and to males and females. The guild would take every one from lawful evil to neutral good. The structure of the guild is being debated as it can be loose; but some felt (including i) that there should be a secretive inner circle that helps push the guild in the direction they want and to micro manage some aspects. The members would have to prove themselves through deeds and would only gain access after intense trials. Full members will be allowed to vote on subjects about the guild. Also the guild is willing to be hired for money but the way of contacting them will be very 'shadowy' to say the least. But of course with all contracts the inner circle of the guild has the right to decline if its to sinister or is not in the interest of the guild

As for guild goals we are working on it big time...More on that later. Now as for the lore! Lord help us in trying to figure that out

again i appreciate any suggestions so plz plz through them at me! Thank you

[raetin]

The only potential issue I see here is that good and evil do not mix well. Just like law and chaos have a hard time getting along.

The guild will need to decide a bit on its alignment. A good guild would only accept an evil character if the character is actively changing their ways. A neutral guild would accept both, but would generally expect the evil to be on the subtle side. Going a bit too far in subduing someone might slide, but taking on a contract to grab a child from the surface for a sacrifice wouldn't fly. An evil guild would naturally reject good members, whom would either get killed or become evil themselves.

Other than that, when it comes to goals and organization, that's whatever you guys want it to be. With rank comes organization and taking orders. With chaos comes freedom, but an far decreased capacity to act as a group.

[Ansient]

a secretive type of brotherhood (for lack of a better term)

I suggested brotherhood to you originally, but I think 'gang' might be a better conceptual fit.

(It could be a gang with 'brotherhood' in its name though, they're pretentious like that ; )

The only potential issue I see here is that good and evil do not mix well. Just like law and chaos have a hard time getting along.

This guild itself is going to behave in a "Neutral Evil through True Neutral" fashion of it wants to get ahead.

The good-aligned will be no less at home than most anywhere else down here... as good-aligned underdarkians tend to be quite rare and necessarily used to working alongside the prevailing mostly evil with some neutral.

[raetin]

Good-aligned characters will be no less at home than most anywhere else down here... good-aligned Underdarkians tend to be quite rare and necessarily used to working alongside the prevailing mostly evil with some neutral.

Of course, that is true. Just means the group isn't good. A prevailing evil group can still have a few good members -- they could be slaves, or even just people with no where else to go.

Though while digging a ditch or killing umber hulks with an evil person isn't an evil act, guarding their back while they slaughter some innocent probably is. So the good player in that situation still has a fine line to walk.

The trouble arises when you have equal parts good/evil or more good than evil. At that point, the good characters are pretty much obligated to keep the evil ones in line, lest they risk an alignment shift. Presumably they would be protecting / helping the evil characters in some way, otherwise, what's the point of the group?

There are some outlier cases where that would not be true, but I think you can get what I mean. If a group of Eilistraeens are harboring a Lolthite that keeps trying to take slaves / kills / whatever, the Eilistraeens should get dinged for enabling such acts.

Can't tell what the mix on this group is -- one is apparently chaotic good, however. So it bears thought.

[Rhicora]

When the initial concept was described to me by Zek, I imagined a gang as well. Leadership will depend heavily on who can draw the support of the other members, meaning that at times it will be more chaotic than House Mori. Of course it offers refuge from the Conclave and the House, but I fully expect it to have a few internal struggles.

No need to decide on an alignment to begin with. I predict it might swing in the direction of CN, but nothing's for certain. Okay, so it's an opposition guild to Mori/Conclave. Will evil members still be tolerated? What about when they start acting at the expense of those who are good? They'll probably be a lot more ideological than your average mercenaries - without revealing too much about Zek's dastardly plans, I think it is safe to say that they wouldn't accept jobs from particularly devout Lolthites.

As this is undoubtedly going to become conflict RP fairly early on, some helpful "good form" things to remember, based on the three OOC drama sources I can forsee:

• Even if your character is, don't be a di
  
  If someone does not want PvP, don't attack them. That's possibly the most serious no-no I can think of. Some people want [Lolth/rebel] RP without having to get involved in [mechanical/any] PvP, and I highly recommend a conversation in tells first. Follow server rules and give people an out.
  
  Start fights for a reason and finish them sensibly. Someone can [be a confirmed heretic/wear the Mori piwafi], but the two sides would not necessarily have orders to kill on sight at all times. Even if both of you are combat characters, there is no subdual system here and death penalties are harsh. On some occasions, it wouldn't even make RP sense to try to land fatal blows within the Sshamath borders. Consider the possibility of brawls (to Near Death/Dying) as well as battles to the death.
  
  Don't auto from the names over people's heads. Remember that for all but the most perceptive, a minimal disguise or the choice not to wear a Mori cloak may be all that is necessary to avoid notice. For the new group, membership will be (mostly) secret, so their recognition won't be an issue until later.

Thanks for keeping this in mind. Some players love hostiled PvP, some prefer RP confrontations, and some would rather not even have it come to that at all. If someone's typing a roleplayed response, don't assume the hostiles you just set five seconds ago are preamble enough to a mechanical attack.

[raetin]

All good questions Rhicora.

You guys might want to consider working out the answers via email or PM. For one, the opinions of the initial members are the only ones that really matter. Second, that kind of information is probably best kept a bit on the secret side.

[Rhicora]

You guys might want to consider working out the answers via email or PM. For one, the opinions of the initial members are the only ones that really matter. Second, that kind of information is probably best kept a bit on the secret side.

Right, don't want to scare anyone off of discussing vital (read permadeaths, significant world events, alteration of characters) details in this thread. Along the lines of my views on combat, I want this to be properly agreed on beforehand. IC surprises are cool, but IC shocks that make people sad and then turn into a long OOC debate aren't. There's a thin line.

That said, lemme know if I need to [redacted] any of the secret information contained in the earlier post. Wouldn't want to sink ships before they've even set sail, now would we?

>.>
* sketchy dhaerow eyes *
<.<

... would we?

[Eviloth]

Wow, no offense and I am not going to try and PEE on your Parade, but taking on a the Conclave is no easy task. But taken on a very active house ontop of the Conclave is going to be one constant in-game-nightmare unless you guys can really go with the subtle ways.

I HIGHLY recommend you all read this, as it shoudl be standard LORE, that is why I am also asking the DMs to read this and give permission to this. But I think this would almost suit your all better for another option. Here me out, I think you'll like what I am presenting here

Jaezred Chaulssin
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Jaezred_Chaulssin

[Eviloth]

This could also be where a DM if might allow the RDD class if you were a full bard instead of a Cheese class, as the Jaezred either are half dragons, but I don't see why you couldn't just RP you are working with them and not necessarily a half dragon.

[Eviloth]

Oh and Please feel free to kill Viera Mori'hyanda any chance you get. However, most times she doesn't leave the quel'lar to often (especially now) without her goon Hunar, body guard Velve, or Yath accompanying here.

But then you could try complimenting her and buying her little gifts. Gifts are always nice, make them really pretty. Little garden gnomes or tiny mushrooms that smell. No, stay away from anything Umberhaulk related, she breaks out in hives. Hunar once shoot his hair on her and hit her with dust. That didn't make her happy, but yeah, I don't mind PvP, I am usually set to PVP OKAY - red. But make sure you dont' know who I am but just walking up to me for the first time and claiming I am a Mori'hyanda, unless you come from the back and see my House Symbol. But, who's to say you have to kill me? Randsome is always a good thing, gold gold gold, I mean, what Ilharess would want to be known that she could protect the well being of her 1st daughter by a group of THUGS? Sometimes that might be cool, and I don't mind playing locked up in a cell, just maybe....once and a while give me someone to RP with, I like the exp once and a while

Here is Viera's diet she prefers, just incase,

Lichen everything - goes crazy for it
Fungus Pie(cook at 200 degrees) - brings out the flavor
Displacer Beast rib - cut the fat away, since they are ultra skinny anyways

Anyways, I really need to go to sleep, I can't believe I am posting this. Wait, yes I can!

[Eviloth]

Well on an epic note I thought I saw some wording on them taking on Mori and the Conclave, but I could have been epically incorrect, since it is epically 4:22am my time. Guh!

[Randall]

Oh and Please feel free to kill Viera Mori'hyanda any chance you get. However, most times she doesn't leave the quel'lar to often (especially now) without her goon Hunar, body guard Velve, or Yath accompanying here.

But then you could try complimenting her and buying her little gifts. Gifts are always nice, make them really pretty. Little garden gnomes or tiny mushrooms that smell. No, stay away from anything Umberhaulk related, she breaks out in hives. Hunar once shoot his hair on her and hit her with dust. That didn't make her happy, but yeah, I don't mind PvP, I am usually set to PVP OKAY - red. But make sure you dont' know who I am but just walking up to me for the first time and claiming I am a Mori'hyanda, unless you come from the back and see my House Symbol. But, who's to say you have to kill me? Randsome is always a good thing, gold gold gold, I mean, what Ilharess would want to be known that she could protect the well being of her 1st daughter by a group of THUGS? Sometimes that might be cool, and I don't mind playing locked up in a cell, just maybe....once and a while give me someone to RP with, I like the exp once and a while

Here is Viera's diet she prefers, just incase,

Lichen everything - goes crazy for it
Fungus Pie(cook at 200 degrees) - brings out the flavor
Displacer Beast rib - cut the fat away, since they are ultra skinny anyways

Anyways, I really need to go to sleep, I can't believe I am posting this. Wait, yes I can!

Being locked up is really fun, trust me on that !

[mar3usmc]

Oh and Please feel free to kill Viera Mori'hyanda ->....once and a while give me someone to RP with, I like the exp once and a while

Here is Viera's diet she prefers, just incase,

Lichen everything - goes crazy for it
Fungus Pie(cook at 200 degrees) - brings out the flavor
Displacer Beast rib - cut the fat away, since they are ultra skinny anyways

Anyways, I really need to go to sleep, I can't believe I am posting this. Wait, yes I can!

wow evil, you really crack me up man

Oh, and ummm taking on the Conclave would be quite unwise, but then again maybe none of your characters have any wisdom . I am going to be trying to focus some RP on making a point that the Conclave does exist and there will be IC consequences for standing up against them, at least openly (its fine to do it quietly/tactfully/stealthy, but doing it openly is just something a very low INT PC would do).