Lore Assistance

[Eral'ai]

http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Druid

Read the Weapons and Armor Proficiency section.

[Randall]

I got something for you.


God, talking to Moise.


God: Fourteen, you shall not commit adultery.
Moise: Why so? It is fun, it changes the mood when it gets boring with the wife, and the wife enjoys it also to see other mens sometimes. We're all happy with that.
God: You shall NOT commit adultery.
Moise. Hm.. Allright, dude.. But.. I have doubts now. This might be one thing I will not respect in the commandments..
God: Then, I'll put into humanity one thing that'll make you remember it. Jaelousy. If your wife catch you with another woman, be sure you'll get a kick in the balls.
Moise: O_O



The elder druid, talking to AO(DM).

AO: Druids shall not wear metals.
Elder: Hm.. But why, it is from nature.. in fact, everything humans do is natural, since we are mammals also. It is nothing different than cooking our food, and.. less evil than wearing the -skin- of other animals.
AO: Druids shall NOT wear metals.
Elder: Hm.. This is strange.
AO: ALLRIGHT. You won't have your druid abilities if I catch you wearing metal, and you'll die against a simple goblin. Take it as a gift, damnit, you won't fear the rust monsters, the most feared monster by the adventurers. Take it, and shut it up, you ignorant fool.
Elder: O_O




And that is why, my friend, druids can't wear metal.

[mute83]

you dont come by iron, nearly as easy as you come by leather. iron has to be mined and go through a process, none of which is natural. getting leather is more natural, why do you think it took humans so long, compared to how long they wore animal hide.
and i found a picture that should also give a reason, though its a modern, though old picture, it should give an idea why.

[Randall]

It looks like that where I live..

[muffinFBSL]

you dont come by iron, nearly as easy as you come by leather. iron has to be mined and go through a process, none of which is natural. getting leather is more natural, why do you think it took humans so long, compared to how long they wore animal hide.
and i found a picture that should also give a reason, though its a modern, though old picture, it should give an idea why.

Ever heard of the Bronze Age, the Copper Age, or the Iron Age?

And by the way, what do you mean getting leather is more natural. You mean that it is easier? What does the level of difficulty have to do with anything?

I didn't think that Druid SRD link helped really. It just re-iterated what I knew. I understand that it is a rule, I just wonder where it came from. Is there a legitimate reason for it or is it pretty much like how Randall insightfully (I honestly thought it was insightful) described?

[Eral'ai]

Could be that smelting damages the earth in ways from the waste. Also, they could be like Native Americans who used the earth's materials sparingly and when an animal was killed for food, they used the entire animal.

[Zkenic]

Pull back and look at the context of all it. FR does not play off the theory that humans are natural, and therefore everything they do is also natural. The fluff/lore of the druid class hangs more in the celtic druid sort of way (especially in 2nd edition) than anything else. Smithing metals is an art of civilization, not something you find naturally in the wildnerness. Again this stresses the point that humans/other civilized races have pulled away from the natural way, not just found and expanded their path in nature.

Some druids like to rp the claim that tearing ore from the earth and then crafting it is harmful to nature. Damaging to the correct order of the world by infecting it with horrid mines and pouring more waste into the land, but you dont need to rp that to not wish to wear metal. You can simply acknowledge that nature itself does not provide you with iron, but rather through the crafts of man it is created.

[magus_taliesin]

Pull back and look at the context of all it. FR does not play off the theory that humans are natural, and therefore everything they do is also natural. The fluff/lore of the druid class hangs more in the celtic druid sort of way (especially in 2nd edition) than anything else. Smithing metals is an art of civilization, not something you find naturally in the wildnerness. Again this stresses the point that humans/other civilized races have pulled away from the natural way, not just found and expanded their path in nature.

Some druids like to rp the claim that tearing ore from the earth and then crafting it is harmful to nature. Damaging to the correct order of the world by infecting it with horrid mines and pouring more waste into the land, but you dont need to rp that to not wish to wear metal. You can simply acknowledge that nature itself does not provide you with iron, but rather through the crafts of man it is created.

Very well said sir. I was going to give similar insight but I couldn't even come close to that.

[muffinFBSL]

Pull back and look at the context of all it. FR does not play off the theory that humans are natural, and therefore everything they do is also natural. The fluff/lore of the druid class hangs more in the celtic druid sort of way (especially in 2nd edition) than anything else. Smithing metals is an art of civilization, not something you find naturally in the wildnerness. Again this stresses the point that humans/other civilized races have pulled away from the natural way, not just found and expanded their path in nature.

Some druids like to rp the claim that tearing ore from the earth and then crafting it is harmful to nature. Damaging to the correct order of the world by infecting it with horrid mines and pouring more waste into the land, but you dont need to rp that to not wish to wear metal. You can simply acknowledge that nature itself does not provide you with iron, but rather through the crafts of man it is created.

Okay, I like that explanation. What is with sickles and scimitars then though?

[magus_taliesin]

Pull back and look at the context of all it. FR does not play off the theory that humans are natural, and therefore everything they do is also natural. The fluff/lore of the druid class hangs more in the celtic druid sort of way (especially in 2nd edition) than anything else. Smithing metals is an art of civilization, not something you find naturally in the wildnerness. Again this stresses the point that humans/other civilized races have pulled away from the natural way, not just found and expanded their path in nature.

Some druids like to rp the claim that tearing ore from the earth and then crafting it is harmful to nature. Damaging to the correct order of the world by infecting it with horrid mines and pouring more waste into the land, but you dont need to rp that to not wish to wear metal. You can simply acknowledge that nature itself does not provide you with iron, but rather through the crafts of man it is created.

Okay, I like that explanation. What is with sickles and scimitars then though?

That's always the rub. Part of the explanation behind those is they use less metal, and can also be crafted from other materials. They also require less 'technology' to craft. That's the big kicker, is the 'technology' that goes into making things that druids don't like.

[Zkenic]

Sickles had special use in 2nd edition for druids. Sickles are harvesting tools, and instead of a holy symbol, a druid had to harvest certain plants (been ages since I actually went and read this up) once a month with a silver or gold sickle. I cannot make comment on why you can use a scimitar, probably just wanted druids to have at least one functional melee weapon. Weapons do take less material to craft than armor, but I wouldnt say less technology for the same quality metal. One of my favorite characters I made was a druid that did use no metal. Walked around in hide armor with a greatclub.

[nlyh]

Reminds me of some of those old doctor who series where it used to get to the point where they contradict themselves and make blatant mistakes in the plot.

The response was always something to the effect of...

"Uh... it just happens, that's the way it is"

Accept and move on.

[DM Sword]

I havn't seen a good explanation for the scimtar. Some have said that the scimtar was a stand-in for the sickle in the first edition of DnD rules, and was simply grandfathered in. Others have said that a scimtar was used for sacrificial purposes.

I view the scmitar similar to a machete, which is excellent for clearing away overgrown vegitation and harvesting crops. Not sure if druids would use it for those reasons or not.

[nlyh]

There is a lot of senseless things in D&D which they make up while not thinking about every single detail. Some of them are ridiculous, but that is the lore anyway.

[muffinFBSL]

As I type this, Zable and nlyh have the same amount of posts