Make Warlock application only

[DMogorgon]

How many players have seen or recognized warlock invocations and ignored them? or not want to RP them, or just not want conflict? this point was raised in the DM circles. The problem may not be only a lack of concerted effort on warlocks, it may be a lack of concerted effort in the servers response to them.

[Blunkanthrust]

I really don't understand why people are complaining so much, RP is the server category we all like the lore, we stick around here for the interesting stories and impressiveness of that lore. Regardless of the boom or decline of the warlocks on the server at any given time, the rules regarding them has always been a bit lax, it was only a matter of time before it got tightened up. I can't honestly believe anyone who made a warlock didn't realize they were demonic or in some form of pact, in fact I would imagine the majority of people took the class for that very reason "because it's evil" just because there will be guidelines to make the class and as a result the player more aware of the lore, that's no bad thing, it will give them and everyone else a really solid framework, the warlock RP will improve, people won't just see somebody screaming in infernal and go "Yeah sure let's run around that area for 20 minutes in circles together you seem safe enough".

if we get permadeath this server will die quick ,couse it take some time to make a new char thiunk of how many i need to make you cant offer me that

Permadeath already exists it's not a new thing, when I first joined the server I was put off a bit by the large amount of Paladin and paladin esque self righteous RP which was going on and went on for a good few months and saw the death and public execution of lots of better evil characters, which then lead to a lot of ill feeling in the community. A community which then would turn around and ask where all the evil characters were, which was tragically amusing for a while. They aren't so blatant these days or at least the self righteous aspect seems to have toned down and the evil characters are developing in power and that's great. Permadeath won't kill the server, if people leave because they refuse to RP a class in relation to the lore, well then the server will just carry on.

Cleric domain choices are kept in check so it makes sense that warlock pacts are also kept in check.

I have seen people who cower and marvel at spell casters, more times than I can count. I've yet to see a druid that feels bad for burning the soil though, that would be very funny to watch them being all remorseful.

My first grey orc was great fun to RP, he was fairly universally disliked by everyone he met but that made the RP a challenge and was more fun, I chose the race because I knew it would be more challenging. Why shouldn't the warlock class/RP not be treated in the same way?

I'll happily call out a warlock for speaking infernal in public or using their demonic incantations because that makes sense RP wise for me if I'm on a character that can distinguish sorts of "magic".

[Servin]

How many players have seen or recognized warlock invocations and ignored them? or not want to RP them, or just not want conflict? this point was raised in the DM circles. The problem may not be only a lack of concerted effort on warlocks, it may be a lack of concerted effort in the servers response to them.

No comment on that. It's quite natural in the UD, just like necromancy *shrugs*

[Blunkanthrust]

How many players have seen or recognized warlock invocations and ignored them? or not want to RP them, or just not want conflict? this point was raised in the DM circles. The problem may not be only a lack of concerted effort on warlocks, it may be a lack of concerted effort in the servers response to them.

I agree, the majority of people from what I've seen (less so since this thread started) tend to just go along for the ride, it would be useful as a point of reference to have the races opinions of demons/warlocks/pacts so that we have some sort of idea fitting the lore as to the appropriate response. Not of course that people would have to react exactly like that but if people don't know the right response or don't want to make the effort then they would have a starting point from there.

[Charraj]

How many players have seen or recognized warlock invocations and ignored them? or not want to RP them, or just not want conflict? this point was raised in the DM circles. The problem may not be only a lack of concerted effort on warlocks, it may be a lack of concerted effort in the servers response to them.

Very very true. I may have to rethink about how I respond to these things in-game. I hate PvP, but the golden rule is to stay IC. Thanks.

[WeWhoEat]

How many players have seen or recognized warlock invocations and ignored them? or not want to RP them, or just not want conflict? this point was raised in the DM circles. The problem may not be only a lack of concerted effort on warlocks, it may be a lack of concerted effort in the servers response to them.

Very very true. I may have to rethink about how I respond to these things in-game. I hate PvP, but the golden rule is to stay IC. Thanks.

I have had characters who have blasted invocations around me, and I have called them on it (granted, I was on my own warlock at the time, but Lilly is a hypocritical b^$# anyway). I got the standard answer: "You know nothing of me, not everybody is this way by choice, don't judge me, I am a good person and you are ignorant", and I was at the receiving end of a long-winded speech about how warlocks are no different than anybody else, and how I should not judge. By the end, I was banging my face into my desk.

Honestly, there are times I just want to beat the crap out of an idiot warlock, but usually they are either quick to stand in the shadow of the Friendly or a Fist, or refuse to allow themselves to get dragged into any sort of confrontation, either verbal or physical. And, because of the PvP consent and RP out rules and the presence of so many Guards, I am never able to give the warlocks the thrashing they deserve. For even ~insulting~ a warlock near NPCs, I have been accused of metagaming by ignoring the NPCs.

What I am trying to say is, the reason many people might not call a warlock on being a warlock is because it does nothing but spawn headaches.

[Blunkanthrust]

The warlocks should take a high ranking official from somewhere in the land and corrupt them and bind their soul to a pact to free one of their own now that would be a very cool evil event series

[Lockonnow]

well i'll thinkng there sould be two kinda warlock one that is not evil and one that is true evilthat name Warlock

[Luna]

well i'll thinkng there sould be two kinda warlock one that is not evil and one that is true evilthat name Warlock

[Hitman Hard]

We should have tokens for posting on the forums too...

I just read most of that and I never heard of a more absurd idea. Soon we will have exams to play in the UD, all guilds application only, talk to a wizard questionnaire and multiple choice test when selecting a deity...

Is that the only idea of yours to get people on board with the lore? I do get that there are people who are lore-immune and there is nothing you can do about it, except to call for a DM when rules get broken, but half the people on the surface don't even show the respect nor fear to be given to arcane users who wield unknown power, able to end your life in a snap of fingers... And you guys are trying to convice everyone - warlocks are the source of all evil on the server...

Seriously?

You nailed it on the head! Great post, it's a relief to see someone speaking sensible on the subject. Baldurs Gate claims to be a medium RP server, but what many people are advocating on this post is a high RP server. I also think Servin makes an excellent point, gathering from what many posters are saying mind you, there is a general message that warlocks are the source of all evil and for that matter bad RP. I find this deeply unfair.

[Hitman Hard]

Think of it as giving consent to be more immersed in the lore of the role that definitively has a plethora of lore surrounding them and definite consequences should that role not be played to the satisfaction of the being you submitted yourself too.

Paladin's have fallen here and been shut down by their gods. I felled two during my tenure here.

You are also assuming that we would pruposefully reap a warlock character within a set time frame prematurely, that is not realistic. Some might be reaped instantly, some years and years later depending on several factors such as the Pact taken, the story you wrote about said pact if you bothered to submit a bio for instant reward, and also the being that you are in service too or holds the rights to your immortal soul should you pass permanently.

That generates more RP imo and gives warlocks a story and a purpose that is more true to their lore and less vague. It is the same with Paladins, no one escapes doing wrong of the being they serve for long and dms are well aware of that and we have and do fall paladins and holy rollers that do not adhere at all or remotely to the god's tennets.

I think focus should be on base classes that do have special conditions assigned to them from character creation. Like a monk, bard, warlock, paladin, druid... these classes have caveats in order to be played. So there is no difference from what i am proposing to what is already an IG restriction at character creation for the above base classes. My solution is too take that one step further since warlock is probably one the most MISUNDERSTOOD CLASSES of the above, second would be Paladin, and third is Druid; in that order.

We have more complaints about warlocks being glorified spellcasters and powerbuilders with absolutely no play on the downside of their powers since the downside is only enforced through RP not mechanics same with divine classes. So we create a framework to illustrate the downsides through generating RP that can further immerse a warlock PC into their role not just too penalize them.

In response to the downside of the warlock, i definitely believe it exists. My character has to go through all sorts of RP incidents which are largely fueled by his choice of using hell pact magic. Of course, he is learning to be more secretive. And not that I'm complaining about these RP incidents, I find them fun enough.

[Laenor]

Servin's message pretty much sums up my opinion, too.
Regarding permadeath, remember that the so-called perma death is only OK if the PC himself is OK with it.
There can be no permadeath otherwise. And I frankly do not like DM interfering with the length of the life of a character from the get go.

If someone likes having a faust-like RP story where his ultimate moment shall be to perish at the hands of his contractor, sure, do just this with him and encourage roleplay.
But do not enforce this on everyone just because some stupid young guys or new players, that do not know much about lore, do not follow your personnal view on the matter.

[Laenor]

Oh, and talking about glorified powerbuilding classes with low to no RP, TheVoid, mister weapon master and/or mister frenzied berserker has got quite a few things to say to these warlocks of yours

But who cares ? People are having fun... Why enforce your view on the matter on the back of people having fun ?

Promote RP, do not enforce it. Were not on a "high" RP server where you have to know everything about deities, arcane magic and whatnot before RPing that you're a badass Wizard or a pious Cleric.

[Deathgrowl]

What I am trying to say is, the reason many people might not call a warlock on being a warlock is because it does nothing but spawn headaches.

Yes. After several experiences where people say "NO DON'T KILL THE DEVIL, HE'S HELPING ME!" and just generally don't understand the concept of pact mages, I just try to avoid those warlocks who don't seem to be all that serious and are generally just running and grinding.

[Hitman Hard]

What's upsetting to me is... i logged on and i get several messages threatening to perma-strike my character which i did not agree to. This person went on further to say, if i did not stop my "campaign" against the elves she would see to it that my character was hunted down. I've had a few skirmishes with elves, do i actively hunt them on a daily basis? Heck no. I guess if you have a heated RP arguement with a few elves in Beregost, all goes to hell.