Lore Assistance

[Hoihe]

I always seek the other way around, Valefort! Never the simple ones, nay!

[Nomster]

Why would a glove and a bracer conflict with each other when a glove and a tunic or whatever else you're wearing doesn't? It makes no sense for me.

[Hoihe]

Because of magic. They're the items in the same class.

[Nomster]

Items don't have awareness of what class they are. Unless... they're speshul with their own intellect. So, why don't two rings conflict with each other?

[scriver]

Because your fingers have two ring slots. Duh.

[Hoihe]

This actually makes me wonder how gloves and bracers are the same slot. But meh, back to the original question!

Is it the surpassing explanation or is it the repelling explanation on why you can only wear 1 type of magical item, save for rings which have 1 for each hand?

[Catam]

How exactly is the one magical item/kind rule work?
Can someone say wear.. 2 different magical vambraces/bracers and a magical glove, and only get the bonus from the strongest item, or do the magical items act like magnets with the same polarity, and repell the other magical item of the same kind?
I've been thinking about approaching item changing by saying they were already equipped, but were dormant/surpassed by the stronger one.
Gloves should always surpass a single vambrace, for 2 vs 1. Stronger magical effect would surpass the lower one.
So in Hoihe's case: TWF gloves > Intelligence bracers > Archer bracers
Remove gloves, int kicks in, remove int bracers, archery kicks in.
Or they don't work this way?
I personally found conflicting ideas on this matter. If anyone could tell me how they really work I'd be glad.

The strength of magic per item location on the body decides what item effects the wearer. Unfortunately, NWN2 does not have the same number of locations as PnP but not that big of a deal. The point is that items with the stronger cumulative magical aura would create the effects of their magics on the wearer if there are multiple items on the same location of the body. So a pair of glasses of Lore +5 would stop giving its effect when the wearer pulls the hood over his head that has AC +3.

[Hoihe]

So, what I proposed makes perfect sense?

Now I just need to figure out what would have the strongest magical aura to play around with the equipping.



Another curious question about magical items, Can an item's magic be tied to a piece of it, and the removal of the said piece cause the item to lose its magic?

[Such as a gemstone forged into an armour, a gemstone in a sword's hilt, the feather of a swashbuckler's hat, etc.]

[Simian]

*Sighs...*

So, what I proposed makes perfect sense?

Now I just need to figure out what would have the strongest magical aura to play around with the equipping.

Unfortunately it does not. These 'magical auras' prevent you from putting on another magical item in that particular item 'slot.'

I've taken the effort to find you these two quotes that should help you understand what works and what does not:

[quote="D&D Rules"]Magic Items On The Body

Many magic items need to be donned by a character who wants to employ them or benefit from their abilities. It’s possible for a creature with a humanoid-shaped body to wear as many as twelve magic items at the same time. However, each of those items must be worn on (or over) a particular part of the body.

A humanoid-shaped body can be decked out in magic gear consisting of one item from each of the following groups, keyed to which place on the body the item is worn.

• One headband, hat, helmet, or phylactery on the head
  One pair of eye lenses or goggles on or over the eyes
  One amulet, brooch, medallion, necklace, periapt, or scarab around the neck
  One vest, vestment, or shirt on the torso
  One robe or suit of armor on the body (over a vest, vestment, or shirt)
  One belt around the waist (over a robe or suit of armor)
  One cloak, cape, or mantle around the shoulders (over a robe or suit of armor)
  One pair of bracers or bracelets on the arms or wrists
  One glove, pair of gloves, or pair of gauntlets on the hands
  One ring on each hand (or two rings on one hand)
  One pair of boots or shoes on the feet

Of course, a character may carry or possess as many items of the same type as he wishes. However, additional items beyond those listed above have no effect.

Some items can be worn or carried without taking up space on a character’s body. The description of an item indicates when an item has this property. [/quote]

Wearing Magic Items

As noted in Parts One and Two, some magic items must be worn on the body before they can function. Most such items work only when they're worn on a specific part of the body (sometimes called an item "slot") as noted on page 214 of the Dungeon Master's Guide. For example, you cannot wear a magic cloak or shirt on your head and expect the item to work. That said, it pays to remember that the game includes item slots mostly as a matter of convenience. The item slot rules, for example, help you decide if it's possible to wear magic gloves under magic gauntlets (if the gauntlets are roomy enough, there's no reason you can't wear gloves under them, but in the D&D game, you can wear only one pair of the two pairs of items.

The item slot rules also serves to keep characters from becoming overpowered (by wearing 10 rings, for example) and gives players an important resource to manage.

It's worth noting that the item location rules in the Dungeon Master's Guide assume a humanoid body. Nonhumanoid bodies have the same set of 12 item locations noted in the Dungeon Master's Guide, though perhaps in slightly different forms. You can find examples in the Draconomicon and in Wild Life, Part Two.

It's also worth noting here that a campaign can get along without using item slots at all, provided that the DM carefully controls the wealth the PCs have. For most campaigns, the wealth guidelines on page 135 in the Dungeon Master's Guide will suffice. If you follow those guidelines and you're careful to make sure that no single character has significantly more wealth than the all the others, you don't need to worry too much about overpowered characters. Of course, you'll still face arguments over how many items a character can wear on one part of the body.

When your campaign uses the item slot rules (as most do) you always can carry more items than you can wear in a particular slot. If you wear more items in a slot than will fit, only the first one (or the first two, in the case of rings) that you put on functions. As a rule of thumb, it takes two move actions to switch around items that you wear -- one to shed a functioning item and put it away, and one to get out the replacement item and put it on. That assumes that you keep the replacement item in some handy location, such as a belt pouch, and that you store the original item somewhere equally handy. Note that you can just drop an item as a free action, but that's for things you hold in your hand. Most items you wear are made to stay in place once you don them and it takes a little fiddling to get them off. Armor and shields have their own rules for donning and shedding (see Chapter 7 in the Player's Handbook).

[Hoihe]

*Sighs...*

So, what I proposed makes perfect sense?

Now I just need to figure out what would have the strongest magical aura to play around with the equipping.

Unfortunately it does not. These 'magical auras' prevent you from putting on another magical item in that particular item 'slot.'

I've taken the effort to find you these two quotes that should help you understand what works and what does not:

[quote="D&D Rules"]Magic Items On The Body

Many magic items need to be donned by a character who wants to employ them or benefit from their abilities. It’s possible for a creature with a humanoid-shaped body to wear as many as twelve magic items at the same time. However, each of those items must be worn on (or over) a particular part of the body.

A humanoid-shaped body can be decked out in magic gear consisting of one item from each of the following groups, keyed to which place on the body the item is worn.

• One headband, hat, helmet, or phylactery on the head
  One pair of eye lenses or goggles on or over the eyes
  One amulet, brooch, medallion, necklace, periapt, or scarab around the neck
  One vest, vestment, or shirt on the torso
  One robe or suit of armor on the body (over a vest, vestment, or shirt)
  One belt around the waist (over a robe or suit of armor)
  One cloak, cape, or mantle around the shoulders (over a robe or suit of armor)
  One pair of bracers or bracelets on the arms or wrists
  One glove, pair of gloves, or pair of gauntlets on the hands
  One ring on each hand (or two rings on one hand)
  One pair of boots or shoes on the feet

Of course, a character may carry or possess as many items of the same type as he wishes. However, additional items beyond those listed above have no effect.

Some items can be worn or carried without taking up space on a character’s body. The description of an item indicates when an item has this property.

Wearing Magic Items

As noted in Parts One and Two, some magic items must be worn on the body before they can function. Most such items work only when they're worn on a specific part of the body (sometimes called an item "slot") as noted on page 214 of the Dungeon Master's Guide. For example, you cannot wear a magic cloak or shirt on your head and expect the item to work. That said, it pays to remember that the game includes item slots mostly as a matter of convenience. The item slot rules, for example, help you decide if it's possible to wear magic gloves under magic gauntlets (if the gauntlets are roomy enough, there's no reason you can't wear gloves under them, but in the D&D game, you can wear only one pair of the two pairs of items.

The item slot rules also serves to keep characters from becoming overpowered (by wearing 10 rings, for example) and gives players an important resource to manage.

It's worth noting that the item location rules in the Dungeon Master's Guide assume a humanoid body. Nonhumanoid bodies have the same set of 12 item locations noted in the Dungeon Master's Guide, though perhaps in slightly different forms. You can find examples in the Draconomicon and in Wild Life, Part Two.

It's also worth noting here that a campaign can get along without using item slots at all, provided that the DM carefully controls the wealth the PCs have. For most campaigns, the wealth guidelines on page 135 in the Dungeon Master's Guide will suffice. If you follow those guidelines and you're careful to make sure that no single character has significantly more wealth than the all the others, you don't need to worry too much about overpowered characters. Of course, you'll still face arguments over how many items a character can wear on one part of the body.

When your campaign uses the item slot rules (as most do) you always can carry more items than you can wear in a particular slot. If you wear more items in a slot than will fit, only the first one (or the first two, in the case of rings) that you put on functions. As a rule of thumb, it takes two move actions to switch around items that you wear -- one to shed a functioning item and put it away, and one to get out the replacement item and put it on. That assumes that you keep the replacement item in some handy location, such as a belt pouch, and that you store the original item somewhere equally handy. Note that you can just drop an item as a free action, but that's for things you hold in your hand. Most items you wear are made to stay in place once you don them and it takes a little fiddling to get them off. Armor and shields have their own rules for donning and shedding (see Chapter 7 in the Player's Handbook).

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What I've read says that only one effect is active, the others don't do anything except for them being worn. Though.. I might have missed something, being slightly tired. I'll re-check.

[Simian]

You put on five magic rings on your left hand. Only the first one has an effect. You take off the first ring, but you also have to take away the other four before you can 'activate' the desired magic ring. Hence, it is much more convient to say that that magic items repel each other when attempting to place them in the same 'slot.'

So, just have your extra magical rings in a pocket, or something like that.

[Hoihe]

I mostly brought this up because I wanted to RP the appearance of my bracers being present while wearing my gloves. In that case, for that reason, I could do it, aye?

[Simian]

Sure...

[Nyeleni]

Shilmista against the Ogrillon Ragnor in the Cadderly Bonaduce books of Salvatore:

Although I dislike the second book very much as I do not imagine elves at all like that (the names are the biggest insult sometimes: Tintagel really?). Especially wild or green elves, there are some interesting bits in there.

Now my question did this war happen before or after our timeline, as Alyndra does have the veteran trait and it would be fitting to have her fight along side her kin against the invasion from Castle Trinity.

In "Lands of Intrigue" there is a mention under The Dells (Shilmista) of 1361 but not sure it refers to that war.

Ah yes, in the first pages of the second book it is written: 1361. I started to reread only the Shilmista chapters. So... I presume that is before our time?

[Maverick 40]

http://bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=18957

Unfortunately the current year is only 1349

Still, I have been doing some extensive research into elven lore of late. If your character is elven and you can point me to their region of origin, I can provide you with a list of battles, or other possible lore based conflicts