Questions - Invisibility/practiced Spellcasting

[Morphix90]

Hello out there,
I've got some questions about the game mechanic on this server. I hope some more experienced player could help me with that.

1. Is the Practiced Spellcasting feat still worth to chose? I'd prefer to take some levels without spellcasting progression but there are other options for me too. How does the feat affect my casterlevel exactly now or is the Feat description of bgtscc still correct?

2. Invisibility: Is it right, that (friendly, players etc..) creatures could see a character who casts invisibility or similar spells on itself? But the effect work after entering another map. right?


Thanks for your help!

[Hoihe]

INvisibility works as normal without moving maps. Merely the VFX is being Bugsidian, and doesn't make you entirely invisible without transitioning. ICly, you're supposed to be invisible to the others if they don't have True Seeing/See Invis/Blindsight.


Practiced spellcaster can increase your duration, damage and people affected (also other Cl governed variables) 4 points higher than you'd have without it. Quite worth it imho.

[Karond]

1.) Practiced spellcaster has always been worth choosing. It adds a straight +4 to your caster level, so spells lasts longer (and in some cases, do more damage). This +4 bonus is added straight away, meaning that if you're a 5 wizard/1 rogue character, you'll cast spells like a level 9 wizard right away. Quite useful, wouldn't you agree? It also makes you harder to dispel.

2.) You're correct.

[Molag__Bal]

This +4 bonus is added straight away, meaning that if you're a 5 wizard/1 rogue character, you'll cast spells like a level 9 wizard right away.

This is incorrect. You would cast spells as a 6th level wizard in your example. However, if you were a 5 wizard / 1 rogue / 1 ASoC, you would cast spells as a 10th level wizard. You need a spellcasting PrC for the practiced spellcaster bug to kick in.

[Azmodeth]

I have multiple spellcasting prc's and Im only getting 1 lvl from it...

[ohboy007]

I think you have to have a non spellcasting class in there as well for it to work like SD which seems to be common. That right?

[Molag__Bal]

No, something like wizard 5 / EK 1 should be caster level 9 if you take practiced spellcaster. Unless a sneaky fix was implemented, you should still be able to end up caster level 33 by abusing this bug.

The only server limitation on practiced spellcaster is that you need to lose at least 1 spellcasting level in order to take it. So a wizard 10 / ASoC 10 / archmage 10 wouldn't be allowed to take the feat, while a wizard 10 / ASoC 10 / EK 10 would be able to.

[Karond]

You need a spellcasting PrC for the practiced spellcaster bug to kick in.

Oh, right, forgot about that. Thanks for filling it in

[Eden]

you should still be able to end up caster level 33 by abusing this bug.

Remember that a caster lvl of 33 by abusing the Practiced Spellcaster feat is illegal if you're going for a pure build, since the feat is needed for multiclassing only, you cannot take it if you're going for a pure build. That's why sometimes a PrC is taken even if it's not needed.

[Considerate_]

you should still be able to end up caster level 33 by abusing this bug.

Remember that a caster lvl of 33 by abusing the Practiced Spellcaster feat is illegal if you're going for a pure build, since the feat is needed for multiclassing only, you cannot take it if you're going for a pure build. That's why sometimes a PrC is taken even if it's not needed.

It's allowed to take the feat to gain an advantage of +3 over the normal Caster Level of 30. It is not allowed to abuse the feat, to gain +4 caster levels above the normal cap of 30.

So if you make a level 20 wizard, level 10 Eldritch Knight (who only gets 9 Caster Levels), the feat would net you a caster level of 33 - which is legal.

If you make a level 20 wizard, level 10 Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep (which gets full caster level progression), the feat would net you a caster level of 34 - which is illegal, on this server.

[Morphix90]

Thanks for your repies!

Seems a bit clearer for me now.

interrupt me if I'm wrong:

So, it should be legal for me to take the feat because I decided to take some levels as PM OR full progression as BM(no progression at level 5 if I remember correctly).

And I assume that the bug affecting the Invisibility vfx even affects Ethereal Jaunt. Dont it?

[Hoihe]

It's legal aye.

[ohboy007]

Kind of messed up a non pure caster gets a higher Cl than a pure caster. I know this of course is not intentional, and if there were an easy fix it would probably get implemented. Untill then does it seem fair to limit pure casters but not non pure casters due to a bug? Is Cl 34 that much a reach over 33 granted the pure caster went pure caster? Thought I'd ask and flesh out some opinions. Thx

[Leo]

Kind of messed up a non pure caster gets a higher Cl than a pure caster. I know this of course is not intentional, and if there were an easy fix it would probably get implemented. Untill then does it seem fair to limit pure casters but not non pure casters due to a bug? Is Cl 34 that much a reach over 33 granted the pure caster went pure caster? Thought I'd ask and flesh out some opinions. Thx

Actually, there is an easy fix available. It would cap the use one can get out of Practiced Spellcaster feat at 30 CL max. So the Wizard 10/ Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep 10/ Eldritch Knight 10 that has 29 CL will only get +1 CL benefit from the Practiced Spellcaster. The staff decided they are happy with the current arrangement though. So the fix didn't went in.

[Eden]

you should still be able to end up caster level 33 by abusing this bug.

Remember that a caster lvl of 33 by abusing the Practiced Spellcaster feat is illegal if you're going for a pure build, since the feat is needed for multiclassing only, you cannot take it if you're going for a pure build. That's why sometimes a PrC is taken even if it's not needed.

It's allowed to take the feat to gain an advantage of +3 over the normal Caster Level of 30. It is not allowed to abuse the feat, to gain +4 caster levels above the normal cap of 30.

So if you make a level 20 wizard, level 10 Eldritch Knight (who only gets 9 Caster Levels), the feat would net you a caster level of 33 - which is legal.

If you make a level 20 wizard, level 10 Arcane Scholar of Candlekeep (which gets full caster level progression), the feat would net you a caster level of 34 - which is illegal, on this server.

Yeah, you explained it better than me. Thanks