Paladin and vampiric regeneration

[Xanfyrst]

Yeah, how about a mundane weapon? Or a weapon with all kinds of stats that is totally fine? d6 vs Undead? Divine damage? Magical damage? Physical damage bonus?

There's plenty of paladin-approved weapons out there.

But my question is an honest one. In fact, it seems like elemental damage is even more "evil" than VR from what Mouse says. VR just transfer life-force, while elemental damage seems to cause obvious physical pain.

[kleomenes]

Blunt weapons would be agonising and much more likey to cause painful incapacitating wounds
When not hitting head or chest- with internal injuries leading to a lingering death. Sword cuts would at least let people bleed out when deep

Imagine having your flank crushed by a warmace, or your shoulder. It's not clean unless very well struck

Blunt weapons too brutal and evil for paladins?

[Nyeleni]

Sorry, even if you mean it as a legitimate question, this is getting really ridiculous, imho Xanfyrst. Maybe we really should lock this thread.

But the fault doesnt lie with you, but the different pictures we have of the Paladins. Some just see them as pure white knights, others as brooding chars who carry the woes of the world on their shoulders, etc. etc.
Eventually its just about the credo imo of the corresponding religion.

Forget about the alignment bs. At least the "good" part. Lawful really has a meaning.

[DM_Xzar]

Vampiric Regeneration is necromancy. Necromancy is a term that encompasses both healing and hurting. Positive and negative energy. Though, on average it is interpreted (not only by players but ingame by the supersticious NPC populace as well) as a negative thing, related to undead and death magic. Highly associated with Lichdom.

This makes a sword with vampiric regeneration a possible choice for a wise paladin. But he might get judged for it by his peers and the general populace. And since paladins have a reputation to safeguard, I'd imagine even a knowledgable paladin to avoid such a weapon.

False Life is another spell that isn't really offensive evil necromantic magic, but often gets mistaken for such. Or Undeath to death, which basically destroys the undead, is also a necromancy spell.

But let's not forget, healing through magical means is also necromancy. Eventhough it has been changed to 'conjuration' in NWN2

"Necromancy is the school of magic whose spells manipulate the power of death, unlife, and the life force."

"Evil necromantic wizards by far outnumber good ones, as playing with the forces of death and undeath is hardly something to be done as lightly as many necromancers do."

Basically, Necromancy just has a bad rep. Mainly because of all the negative spells associated with the school.

[Deathgrowl]

But let's not forget, healing through magical means is also necromancy. Eventhough it has been changed to 'conjuration' in NWN2

In 3.5, you mean.

Was necromancy in 2. ed, I'll grant.

[Considerate_]

Yeah, in 3.5 healing spells such as Heal, Cure Wounds etc. went from having the Necromancy school to having the Conjuration school.

That doesn't mean that the description of Necromancy has changed. It's still the same as DM_Xzar quoted.



Objectively, using a Vampiric sword isn't evil. None of the components or spells used to make the enchantment, are inherently evil.

That doesn't mean the Player Character or NPC population will look favourable on it.


... Mind you, depending on where you are in Aber-Toril, the population might not look favourable on the living or anything to do with healing

[Nomster]

About other properties on weapons,

Is acid considered a poison..? Fumes from acid are often inhaled poisons*. I think its a valid question, seeing paladins stance on using poison.

*Though I can't find which DMG its from...


I think its funny that someone ridicules someone else's questions Paladins are considered a difficult class to roleplay... and those who do not role play them correctly get called out on it. Yet when people try to educate themselves and learn what the do-s and don't-s are...

[Nyeleni]

And I find it funny that you mention "rp them correctly" which is as you said above difficult. Hm, a paradoxon? I think there is not one correct way to rp them. *(other examples)
And Nomster, if he really wants to discuss, please he should feel free to open a new thread, or not? This thread is answered imo.

*The same applies to people who live for 300 years or more. How the heck should we know what the psyche of such a being would be... And immortal? Id say impossible. But I digress.



As for Necromancy it is correct as you said, Chambordini. And there are many very beautiful examples of it in the greek literature, one of my favourite is: Orpheus. Even Odysseus had to do some of it in the odyssey.
Although more than a summoning it was more a voyage to Hades itself. Sometimes in form of dreams, sometimes going there in the flesh.

[Hoihe]

And I find it funny that you mention "rp them correctly" which is as you said above difficult. Hm, a paradoxon? I think there is not one correct way to rp them. *(other examples)
And Nomster, if he really wants to discuss, please he should feel free to open a new thread, or not? This thread is answered imo.

*The same applies to people who live for 300 years or more. How the heck should we know what the psyche of such a being would be... And immortal? Id say impossible. But I digress.



As for Necromancy it is correct as you said, Chambordini. And there are many very beautiful examples of it in the greek literature, one of my favourite is: Orpheus. Even Odysseus had to do some of it in the odyssey.
Although more than a summoning it was more a voyage to Hades itself. Sometimes in form of dreams, sometimes going there in the flesh.

Astral projection (necromancy) sorta does that!

[Xanfyrst]

I think there is not one correct way to rp them.

Yes and no.

Paladins have certain lines they can't cross (unless the player want the character to fall), but within those limitations there is plenty of room for variety.

Paladins are one of the hardest classes to play properly. And as I've said in previous paladin-threads, most paladins who has graced this server hasn't done a very good job at it. (It's forgiveable to make minor mistakes here and there, which ICly can be repented for.)

[Hoihe]

I think there is not one correct way to rp them.

Yes and no.

Paladins have certain lines they can't cross (unless the player want the character to fall), but within those limitations there is plenty of room for variety.

Paladins are one of the hardest classes to play properly. And as I've said in previous paladin-threads, most paladins who has graced this server hasn't done a very good job at it. (It's forgiveable to make minor mistakes here and there, which ICly can be repented for.)

Druids and paladins can be on the top of the pyramid of RP "difficulty", as in, getting the concept that's in the lore right, closely followed by clerics, warlocks and favoured souls, then wizards/Spirit shamen/monks/Bards [Because they either have great lore under their belt/ have to understand magic enough to make sense]. Then come Sorcerer, fighter, rogue, barbarian, Man at Arms. None of those have anything that can really tie up their RP in a certain cliche.


This is my opinion, based on personal experiences and things some other people told me.

[breteas]

I've read this.

I've read topics on how to Rp cleric, paladin, druid, Or Aasimar. This server is not for Rp-ing heavy lore classes or races. And no matter what is posted after this, playing 2 years of a certain class and race, I will need a stong reply on this thread to convince me other wise.

Let's start with druids using companions for cannon fodder. not only lore contradicting, but also highly stupid from a combat perspective. Since mine can reach 50 Ac, 44 AB, 200+ speed, and basically kills all. It's comparable to a lvl 30 fighter. I see nothing but druids using it for cannon fodder.

This server is not for any heavy lore class or race. That is my opinion.

[breteas]

Oh while I'm at it, who wants to know the highest Hp my companion ever got? Since it's 840. Can you make a build hitting that?

[Nyeleni]

This got really just waaay waaaay off track, now. Lock it already .


And I have to admit that half of the time I still dont know what my druidess is doing. But it seems to work so far.
And Breteas my companion isnt cannon fodder, but sometimes it saves me from certain death, when I have to retreat. Recovering her corpse is another adventure on itself then .

[breteas]

Yours may not be, Nylenni, but 99.999% of druids I saw over the past 2 years, just want to hit dragon shape. I will not play druid again.