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Re: Passive-aggressive emotes and RP

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Thank you towards everyone who has remained civil throughout what's been quite a polarizing discussion. :)

As much as people disparage semantics, you only need to ask a law school alumni to get an idea on how important minding your p's and q's can be in certain circumstances, as there's one line of text and it's downright mind-boggling at the many ways you can interpret it if you're not precise enough. I suppose I have a bit of a bias in this matter as I play a character who primarily communicates non-verbally in regular RP, requiring me to have to convey more in expression and body language than the average person who can just say, "Bloody flaming gods, you're grinding my goat". Most RP circumstances are nowhere near as extreme as fishing for loopholes as an attorney, but in regular RP and forum posting you do convey a lot in text alone whether it was your intention or not.

Endelyon's earlier post, while doing a good job at trying to explain the importance of body language in regular communication, kind of misses a crucial part: brevity. Writing an entire paragraph in place of a single sentence is not really practical, especially in an RP environment that requires you to output your character's actions and reactions regularly, sometimes quickly. Because you people have now ruined the word "annoying" for me ( :lol: ) I will use another emotion as an example.

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"The man looks happy as he accepts the gift."
That's alright. He received a gift; of course he should be happy. But maybe you can write it like this:

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"The man smiles warmly, eyes shining, as he accepts the gift."
It doesn't take that much more time to write, but it evokes the same feeling and better imagery for the people reading.

You can even play with this, too! Before you write "CHARNAME feels X", take a step back, think on what "X" would look like if CHARNAME was conveying it, depending on the character's quirks, and write it down without ever mentioning the emotion you want to convey. Happiness could be a bright, genuine smile, as from the example above, or even simply a more restrained smile if your character is more reticent. Happiness could also be shown in a more animated and vivacious demeanor if your character is listless. Is CHARNAME irritated by an incessant badger of a person? Perhaps you can emote a scowl, a twitching eyelid, glancing from side to side as if you want to get away, shifting of feet towards a direction away from the irritating person, so on and so forth. You do not need to write entire paragraphs, or name-drop, to describe a personality.

I don't ask people to change overnight, if they want to change, because it is roleplaying and it's not worth being an A-class conscientious descriptor if you're not having fun with it. And honestly, it should be fun for you, even when you're working on improving your writing skills...no, no, playing with words.

Ultimately, though, it boils down to tolerance for other peoples' writing styles, and to be willing to communicate and clear up misunderstandings. Thanks to Deathgrowl explaining the basis behind his particular brand of RP, I would no longer feel offended if his characters express negative dispositions towards my own, as I know that is how he RPs and meant no offense towards me as a player, even though for me it sometimes feels like square-dancing with someone who just says "dol-si-do" instead of actually doing a dol-si-do at the cue ( :P ). Likewise, if someone's roleplaying bothers you OOCly, try to clear things out between the both of you before you call for the DMs or shut them out of your clique, because who knows? The other person may not have intended such. And at the worst case? The DMs will know you tried.
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Grimcheese wrote:Likewise, if someone's roleplaying bothers you OOCly, try to clear things out between the both of you before you call for the DMs or shut them out of your clique, because who knows?
Or just avoid the clique in the first place.

Anyways, yes. If something bothers you about another player, send them a polite tell or PM about it and work out the issues. Makes for a better community.
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No one is being bashed here in particular or anything like that. Deathgrowl you presented a case for your RP here, therefore that was opened to discussion. That's fair, no?


My stance on this comes from my understanding of the rules and what emotes are.

Rules state:
No metagaming
Stay IC at all times
No godmodding

Isn't presenting your characters opinion about another character as a fact through emotes basically a light case of godmodding? While players have complete freedom over their characters thoughts, opinions and speech, no matter how delusional and insane those characters may be, I always thought that freedom was more limited when emotes are in question. Simply because emotes describe something that is actually happening in the world, not our characters thoughts and opinions. Am I somehow wrong in all this?
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Deathgrowl wrote: I do this, and I make no excuses for it.

I'm going to remain entirely unapologetic about RPing exactly what seems appropriate to me when faced with blatantly annoying characters.
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Thids wrote:Isn't presenting your characters opinion about another character as a fact through emotes basically a light case of godmodding?
It's a fact that it is the opinion of the character emoting it. My stating the opinion of the character in an emote isn't a statement of objectivity. We're not talking facts about natural sciences here. It's subjective. How can it then be even remotely metagaming or godmoding? I'm not asking others to adhere to my character's view on the annoying/dirty/lovely man I'm emoting about. I'm just stating the subjective opinion of my character.
Thids wrote:While players have complete freedom over their characters thoughts, opinions and speech, no matter how delusional and insane those characters may be, I always thought that freedom was more limited when emotes are in question. Simply because emotes describe something that is actually happening in the world, not our characters thoughts and opinions. Am I somehow wrong in all this?
Not wrong. Just of different opinion in regards to what emotes actually should do. I totally see where you're coming from on it. Personally, I as I said in an earlier post, I think it's fun to read how the character I am interacting with thinks, even if I can't use that information in character myself. It's just fun to read.
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Looks at the stupid thread then walks away

An example, to me. It doesn't feel right. I'm here to express my feelings towards your character so therefore I would just interrupt them and question them on their intelligence.

It feels really cheap to me (Irony I know) but still the fact stands that you're pushing an emote on a person. To me it's god modding. Instead of just emoting how you feel why not express it with simple sounds.

The Half-orc looks dumbstruck a simple scoff leaves his lips whilts looking at the topic of the thread.

I know some people like typing it out but know that we're a community and slapping someone down with passive aggressiveness would instantly place you in that PC/Users "What-a-douche" pile. Remember, just because you do it and it feels right doesn't mean it is right to the other person.

It's true, some people are fickle. Confrontation isn't their strong suit. Why not try and help the other person advance in rp instead of shooting them down with emotes? Easy answer, Egos are high and you don't want your char bad mouthed. Aw wells, rant over. Thanks for the great thread.

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Deathgrowl wrote:
Thids wrote:Isn't presenting your characters opinion about another character as a fact through emotes basically a light case of godmodding?
It's a fact that it is the opinion of the character emoting it. My stating the opinion of the character in an emote isn't a statement of objectivity. We're not talking facts about natural sciences here. It's subjective. How can it then be even remotely metagaming or godmoding? I'm not asking others to adhere to my character's view on the annoying/dirty/lovely man I'm emoting about. I'm just stating the subjective opinion of my character.
Thids wrote:While players have complete freedom over their characters thoughts, opinions and speech, no matter how delusional and insane those characters may be, I always thought that freedom was more limited when emotes are in question. Simply because emotes describe something that is actually happening in the world, not our characters thoughts and opinions. Am I somehow wrong in all this?
Not wrong. Just of different opinion in regards to what emotes actually should do. I totally see where you're coming from on it. Personally, I as I said in an earlier post, I think it's fun to read how the character I am interacting with thinks, even if I can't use that information in character myself. It's just fun to read.

Well then, we'll have to agree to disagree on what emotes should be used for.
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Endelyon wrote:
If that's how you roll i'm not judging but do be considerate towards others in letting them know this is not simply rp-veiled trolling in some fashion if you would be so kind.
I'm sorry, I don't do this to people, ever, nor will I take the time to qualify to anyone that my characters thought's are not my own thoughts. If you think people are trying to troll you with their roleplay I think you're just being a little bit paranoid. I try to have a more optimistic view of the community and the people I play with and assume that IC things are for IC reasons.
And here we go with strawmen and slander.
Having a positive outlook also includes engaging in a discussion with someone who's opinions you disagree with without resorting to baiting them or defaming them.
You say that IC is IC yet you use something only visible from the OOC perspective with thought emotes thus.

Something to think over...
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I'm going to remain entirely unapologetic about RPing exactly what seems appropriate to me when faced with blatantly annoying characters.
Which is an OOC meta projection on your own characters.
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There's two opinions up at the moment.
- You should not emote your characters thoughts of others
- You can emote your characters thoughts of others.

A DM has chimed in and stated, that we can't dictate how others should RP. That means both options are valid, though we can disagree on which is the best all we want.

Personally, I think it's a good idea to allow for some good will for both sides. We shouldn't assume, that the other person has any OOC intentions with an IC comment. Regardless of how they phrase it.

If someone is actively going out of their way to frustrate you, contact the Staff and they'll handle it. Otherwise, try to get along and have fun - that's why we're here :)
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Considerate_ wrote:There's two opinions up at the moment.
- You should not emote your characters thoughts of others
- You can emote your characters thoughts of others.

A DM has chimed in and stated, that we can't dictate how others should RP. That means both options are valid, though we can disagree on which is the best all we want.

Personally, I think it's a good idea to allow for some good will for both sides. We shouldn't assume, that the other person has any OOC intentions with an IC comment. Regardless of how they phrase it.

If someone is actively going out of their way to frustrate you, contact the Staff and they'll handle it. Otherwise, try to get along and have fun - that's why we're here :)
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Definition of Emote:

v.i. e•mot•ed, e•mot•ing.
  • 1. to show or pretend emotion.
    2. to portray emotion in acting, esp. exaggeratedly or ineptly.
You can look here for one example from many available sources to the definition of emote, or emoting. None express the idea/definition as directly communicating thoughts, nor internal dialogue.

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